E18: Todd Shipman 

Part 1

EMF Poisoning, Chlorine Dioxide, and the Healing Power of Frog Venom

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Christian Elliot

All right. Welcome everyone. We have Todd Shipman here who has been recently introduced to us as ⁓ biohacker Todd has no shortage of amazing things inside his head and experience helping people heal. So we are delighted to introduce you to him today. So Todd, welcome. Thanks for joining us today.

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah, thank you very much for having me.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah. So what I'd love to, to let people just know a little bit about your background. just tell us who you are, how you got into what you're doing and anything that you think is relevant to this conversation.

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah. So, um, I guess everything started, um, back when I, like in 2009, I was a competitive ultra runner. So I ran like the a hundred mile to 200 mile ultra marathons. And I also recently had at the same time in that timeframe had twins and I was trying to figure out a way to be able to train, which is running six to eight hours a day while juggling kids and, uh, not at the time, even caring about my diet somehow.

 

I don't know how I managed to be a competitive runner without caring about my diet, know, drinking a lot of beer and pizza and Taco bell and all that time. ⁓ and then basically at one point, ⁓ I learned about cryotherapy because usually after you run a hundred mile race, you can't walk for a day or two. And they had this, machine at the end of one of my races where they blasted my legs and the next day I could walk. And it was just the biggest eye opener of like, this is possible. What else is possible? So it is.

 

went all the way from an absolute landslide of like just information of what's possible in a world I didn't know existed for. Basically maximum results with minimum effort. And that includes recovery and training because again, I had my kids. So it's like, how can I take my training down to like an hour and a half a day instead of six or eight hours of going out and running 25 miles in the middle of the night for sleep deprivation training and whatnot.

 

that started with cryotherapy, then it got into like, obviously, which seems really obvious now, but like my diet matters. What I eat before and after has a huge importance to how I'm going to feel and effectiveness. So from there, it's just been crazy, like finding out all the, my passion has just been like finding the crazy things that are available, hyperbaric chambers and ⁓ all the way from like really expensive things to also very much free natural things that we can all do.

 

⁓ and in the process I learned, like I've always been really like geeky in the science and data. And I learned that like a lot of other people maybe didn't understand or it became over intimidating to take this information and know how to utilize it. So that's where I got to the point of like, okay, I can take all this data and then regurgitate it so that like my now nine year old twins can understand it and utilize it.

 

as well as like my 68 year old mom, because if it goes over our heads, it's pointless and useless to have used it ⁓ if they're not able to, you know, benefit from it. So I have just gone through a long stretch in the last like 13 years from that, working with Bulletproof on video educational content creating, doing the same thing, making, you know, 30 minute video on all things called therapy or all things grounding sunlight, like so that people, and it's like put it in a way that like

 

anyone can understand it and know how to benefit from it. And that's always been my passion now is really trying really crazy things, not always crazy, but like always going out there on really extreme, really cool experiments on things. And then finding the results and then posting about them. So that's what I love to do. And in the process, I have found some really cool things that most people still say I've never heard of. And that's what I like to do is to share that information and

 

get exposure to topics and health modalities for people that aren't aware that it exists.

 

Christian Elliot

Right on. That was one of the things that was so fun talking to you last time was just recognizing how simple you make things and you can break down so many different ideas and actually make it understandable. So we are thrilled to have you. I remember last time we talked, one of the stories you told was about finding out that you're actually EMF sensitive or you have sensitivity to electromagnetic frequencies. And so I'd love to hear a little bit just about that story. What is it about EMF? How did you figure that out? And

 

What has it led you to study since you realized that?

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah, that's one of the mind blowing things because I think I would say the majority of people don't even know if they have an EMS sensitivity. I think there's a lot of variables to it, but for me, I used to work in hospitals and I didn't understand what was happening. And I would walk around, where I was at was a trauma hospital. So they have those massive ⁓ elevators that shoot up and down to the helicopter.

 

And I don't know if you've ever seen those, but you could fit like 30 people into them and like three beds. They're massive. But every time I'd get near these elevators, I would almost get what I thought was vertigo. Like something was pushing on me. Like if you take two poles of a magnet and you put them against each other, you know how you can feel that pressure of them pushing away. That's what I would feel. And I can say this jokingly now, but there were times where I thought it was like a spirit or a ghost, like because we're in a hospital and a trauma center. like, it was so actively pushing me.

 

and nothing was around. I'm like, what is this? And I would like, I'd get dizzy. And that was my initial thought because I was so clueless on what was happening to me. And then the further I got into, which we're lucky because we actually live in here in the panhandle, Dr. Jack Cruz actually lives in Destin and he is a huge proponent to like EMFs, light water magnetism, has written multiple books, but he's about EMFs and how to protect your body from them. And I kind of got into his information.

 

⁓ and now not everyone is like going to be naturally EMF sensitive. My theory for me is it's because, so there are re they have found that people have, that are in, ⁓ EMF sensitive are they usually have like a high amount of magnetites in their blood and now magnetites are what animals, so animals evolutionarily have, or have a heavy amount so that they understand where north, south, east and west is. ⁓

 

And now humans, not, it's not really part of, you know, our existence to survive, needing to know always Northeast, South and West without just knowing where the sun is. ⁓ but they have found that people who live in really heavy polluted areas are inhaling them and it's going into your lungs, into your bloodstream. So I grew up in, ⁓ I lived in Houston, which is where my dad worked for Chevron. So we transferred to all the

 

places where heavy refineries were. So we were in Houston for about 10 years. And then we went over to San Francisco in 2000. And that's where the five main oil refineries are. And I actually lived right next to one in my backyard. Literally my fence was the property line to where the shell refinery was. And the amount of pollution they put out there is unbelievable. You can smell it.

 

and you can't even go outside when it's hot because you can inhale it. But so inhaling all of that, as well as being in a you ⁓ know, traffic-y polluted area with vehicles, I believe is when I started to become super sensitive to the EMFs. And it's fascinating for me because, especially even moving here, where we still have a really heavy amount of EMFs, but they're not for ⁓ our benefit. Here in the panhandle, it's all the

 

And I always miss say this, but it's basically the 5G tsunami emergency evacuation communication system. So there's 5G towers everywhere. We just don't see them and they're not for our own downloading benefit. It's so that they can send out information immediately and quickly and reliably. ⁓ But it's been really interesting seeing how I utilize different things to benefit not feeling the EMFs because otherwise,

 

You know, you can have EMF blocking clothes, which are your best bet. They're just clothes that are dominant in silver. ⁓ and you wear those and they're going to actually block you from EMS. are devices like quantum devices, not, the stickers, not like that stuff. I don't really think, ⁓ as, effective, there could be some effectiveness to it, but like you can actually get quantum devices that they have been able to show that they don't block EMS, which is to people can get confused, but it neutralizes.

 

the area around you by either sending out the exact negative frequencies of what EMFs are. ⁓ And they can quantify this through like HRV, dark field microscopy, ⁓ different things that they can see how your body would normally be affected by EMFs. And they're able to put these things around you and see if your body like basically is protected from them.

 

Nina Elliot

Well, know, one of the things I think was interesting about your story is I would never have thought that an elevator would have put off EMF. And I think in my own journey, I'm just realizing how much of this we really are exposed to. I thought in my in my mind, it was just, just my phone and my computer. But you're saying an elevator would put it off. Like how many other things in our environment are key fobs? Our cars are electric now. How many things do you think in our environment are putting off these EMS for people that are just learning about this right now? Like

 

Just researching EMFs, what do they find?

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah,

 

you'd be, guess, ⁓ your jaw would drop on anything for the, mean, our now here's one thing I understand. We actually emit EMS ourselves, but there there's a difference between there's a thing. What I'm talking about is not, call them non native EMS. So N N EMS, but those are where the danger encounters, because even the earth puts off electromagnetic frequencies and it's a healthy aspect. But when we're exposing ourselves beyond and they're unnatural ones. like our

 

I mean, obviously, I guess for me, would say obviously our wifi routers, horrible. You have your laptop, your cell phone, your key fobs, ⁓ Bluetooth speakers, anything Bluetooth of course is EMF. And I mean, your microwave, I mean, most people really understand usually that a microwave is not good for you, but if you can take an EMF meter and place it next to the microwave as it goes off,

 

And it goes, the meters goes, it goes further than it can read with a microwave. That's usually eye opening people as well as knowing that microwaves don't get stopped. So if it's coming from your neighbor and then you're in a concrete building, it still goes through concrete. like your neighbor's microwave, your neighbors, your neighbor's wifi router that might be next to your bed where you're sleeping is going to destroy your sleep. Cause everything bounces through it. It doesn't matter. Like what the material of.

 

like concrete or a building is, ⁓ unless you put like full iron, but then you're using iron or steel and it turns into an actual antenna for EMS. So ⁓ the majority of anything that's electronic and wireless for sure is gonna put off EMS. Saunas put off EMS. And that's sometimes you gotta be really mindful of what type of sauna you're using. Now, not like the finished style, it's not like the wooden barrels, but like the infrared saunas.

 

⁓ usually emit a lot of EMFs and people are using these as a healing modality. And in reality, your central nervous system is in a panic mode and can't release the detox or detox like it should. ⁓ so yeah, that's actually a great question. ⁓ Bluetooth in your car, horrible. ⁓ and even though you're not using it, it's still working. So you can't like shut off your Bluetooth. You have to it's cause that's the other end of it is if your phone, especially us again, living in a panhandle where we don't actually have much.

 

real cell service, when I'm driving around and I have low cell service, your phone is actually working harder to find cell service. So it's actually rougher. And the worst, worst time you can be exposed to EMS is when you land on an airplane, when you land, because everyone at the same time turns their phone on. ⁓ And then you're just blasted with it. And that gets really nauseous. I can't usually be within the first 13 rows of a cockpit because the amount of EMS coming off of the plane

 

cockpit is so intense too.

 

Christian Elliot

So as I've talked, I've conceived about the burden that we are under when we think about EMF. analogy that I've come up with, and I'd love to have you weigh in and see if I'm thinking clearly. It's almost like that the volume of frequencies that we are exposed to in our day to day, it's almost like walking into a conference room with a whole bunch of people talking and you're there's all these voices going on and some different volumes, different genders, different tones or emotions behind them. And it's like trying to pick out a signal.

 

And I almost picture EMF is like the number of things coming at us and our body has its own frequency, but it is trying to find its own balance amongst this energetic noise. Basically, is that a realistic metaphor for some of what we're exposed to?

 

Todd Shipman

I think that's a great aspect to put like at a, that's a way to describe it for like what EMFs do to our body. Cause it's so confusing. ⁓ you know, as, as well as like, I would add to that in a way, just to explain to people is like, sometimes if you're, bodies are very adaptable and they're very strong. So if you only have one person talking, it's not a problem. Right. But if you're around EMFs and there is a lot of artificial light and now it's hitting our, ⁓ hitting our skin.

 

And it's caught, really artificial light stresses out our skin because it's basically like, think about it as like fast food light. So think about like when we have artificial light and now that's messing with our skin and now it's trying to still handle the conversation that's going on. And then you have a little bit of mold coming in in that room. And that's, you know, a louder volume and like everything hitting you at once is going to affect you. So I think the way you're saying that is very true. And it can be like,

 

If it's just EMS, sometimes your body can handle it, but it's when you start adding different things and it kind of gets the chaos and confusion. more for our mitochondria. can't keep up with everything.

 

Christian Elliot

Okay, so when we're thinking about just assessing our own exposure or body burden, where do you recommend people start?

 

Todd Shipman

⁓ that's a good question. And I think it's, it's really being intuitive with your body. So there are really simple things you can do. Like for me, ⁓ a good way to tell is like, if I'm not, if I don't have like, my house, I have a lot of like EMF, ⁓ like, you know, neutralizing things as well as my clothes for when I leave. But, ⁓ for me, it's like, I, if you don't realize, like, if you all of a I don't know, we're having anxiety attacks.

 

or all of a sudden for no, you know, no justifiable reason, you get really depressed in a moment. Like the energy feels different. Like this is how our bodies respond to it. Heart rate increasing is probably the easiest for people. like, that's with anything in life. Like our heart rate is an instant, you know, biofeedback of what's going on with our body. So if out of nowhere, your heart rate's going up, same thing with food. Like if you eat food and your heart rate increases, you can tell that

 

that wasn't ideal for your body. Cause now it's in a panic mode. It's having to work over time to fix it. So it's the same thing with EMFs. Like, so for me instantly, I get a high heart, a high increase in heart rate. My throat closes up ⁓ and I get a lot of anxiety and it becomes really hard to breathe ⁓ in general. Cause all of a it's like, just did a workout almost like out of nowhere. ⁓ And then if it's a, cause there's magnetism, there's different little

 

forms of EMFs, but like I can feel Bluetooth. So I, I've been able to go into people's houses and be like, man, you've got like a Sonos over here somewhere. I can feel it. Like it just pushes on me. and that's what's really uncomfortable when you're trying to have a conversation with someone. And at the same time you've got different, like you're saying different voices talking to you from here and here and different things. Like you're like, I'm just trying to focus on the conversation, but I have something pushing me this way. My throat is closing up. My heart rate's going up. getting clammy. ⁓ and, but if you're not aware of that,

 

I think you're like, what's going on? Like, you know, so if you're not in tune to that, you either think it was something that happened earlier, or you're just in a bad mood out of nowhere. And you're not like, I wasn't like that until I walked into this room. ⁓ but you're not thinking like, maybe it's EMF score. Maybe it's mold. It could be a lot of different things. Not always just EMS, but if you can become really in tune with your body, it's always telling us what's happening. You know, whether your breath changes, if you start breathing through your mouth or something, it's telling your body.

 

Your body now thinks totally something different, like, it's a panic mode. And you know, it's like, we're constantly getting the feedback. So if you are aware of that, when you're eating, whatever you're doing, your body is telling you how it's handling it. And again, heart rate is never really good unless you're working out, but working out as a healthy stressor, right? That's the difference. So a lot of this stuff that we do are just healthy stressors that you shouldn't do if you're not healthy. Also, that's an important thing. So.

 

It's the same thing, but like this is real world. So if you're out and around EMS and your heart rate's going up, that's real world practice, like that you've been practicing for with the working out and everything. But this is like, this is reality is your heart rate's going up because something is not good. ⁓ And I think that's the best way to imply like for anyone is like, okay, your heart rate's increasing. And it's usually, mean, it should be pretty noticeable, but I'd say within anything like an increase of 10 % is telling your body it's a stressor. That'd the way.

 

Christian Elliot

I love your perspective,

 

looking for broadening your options for what might be causing it from mold to EMF to all sorts of other things we'll talk about. But it's I appreciate the perspective of there's your body is sending you a signal there's burden. And if you can clue into and get fascinated in that moment of like, what's different here? And what might be an explanation for it? I remember just not too long ago reading the invisible rainbow.

 

And the author just talks extensively about these are the questions we're not allowed to ask in terms of could this device, could this technology, could this exposure actually be hardwired or part of the undercurrent of what's going on in my health. And I just totally appreciate your perspective on looking at the body more holistically like that. So when you're talking about EMF mitigation or things you can do, you've mentioned some steps you've taken. ⁓

 

Can you tell us a little bit about the practical things people would do or maybe the difference between harmonizing and blocking and where somebody would start to start reducing their burden?

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah. So I think at the end of the day, like one of most important thing that also is very effective as our diet, because if you can eat clean and anything you can do to lessen stress is going to help your body be able to adapt to all the other stressors. And digestion is one of the most, ⁓ I don't want to say stressful, but it's the one of the most, it, you know, your body has to focus its most on digestion. So when you're digesting food and it's not.

 

ideal food, your body has to basically stop what it's doing and focus all of its energy on digesting. And if you're digesting food that's not real or it's processed or your body doesn't ⁓ agree with it, that's going to make you more susceptible to the EMS. ⁓ I think that's a great place for people to start in everything. Like the less food stressors that you, ⁓ you know,

 

You introduce your body, the smoother your body works, the smoother it digests, everything comes out, the less inflammation you have, ⁓ the better your, you know, more focused your thoughts are. So if you can, you know, really dial in your diet, and that's always really important. And it's also, I mean, you know, bio individuality is something that I've always lived off of once I got into this world, but it's like, know, Christian, your gut biome is completely different than mine. So, you know, you can get a...

 

not going on tangent on this, but like you can get a, you know, a CGM. like a continuous glucose meter, and you can put it to your body to see how your body responds to food and like how you eat a banana and I eat a banana and how my body responds could be completely different than yours saying, Hey, my body doesn't, my glucose levels skyrocket way too high. So I shouldn't be eating bananas. But if you don't know that you just like to eat bananas, your body's in a constant panic because it's always glucose levels are high. Your cortisol levels are high. And then it's not able to focus on the basics. Um,

 

So I always think like that's one of the most important places to start with anything is just proper diet, proper food, you know, that's sustainable. Like I'm not someone who goes on like just do carnivore like this, unless I'm doing an experiment. But you know, you need to find a sustainable way eating so that your body's always that way and you don't have the spike. So I think that's where to start with EMF stuff, like protecting yourself is to allow your body to, as much as it can adapt to it itself.

 

And then after that, so again, you just gotta be really careful the way companies were things, because it's a world of a difference to say something blocks, emfs, and to say something that neutralizes slashes slash harmonizes emfs, because now there's things that truly block. And that's what I'll wear, especially when I'm at an airport, when I'm in a plane or anything like that. And that's actual clothing. You can get hats, you can get beanies, you can get underwear.

 

⁓ jackets, hoodies, pretty much anything. Unfortunately, they just tend to be really expensive, ⁓ because they're 99 % silver basically. ⁓ but that will actually protect your body from EMF. So it is like a shield. So it hits bounces off, which is great. And that's in a perfect world the way to go. But the reality is I think the cheapest pair of pants that I've ever seen are probably, and this is really cheap, would be considered cheap as like $500.

 

And then you can easily get up to like $1,500 for pants. Um, you can get jackets and hoodies for a little cheaper, but it's, the material, the costs and everything. And no one's done it in a mass production. So you're talking that's, know, I think if it became more available, it could get cheaper. Like a lot of technologies do, but right now it's still very expensive. So it's not as attainable to everyone, especially if you have a family of six and you're like, okay, I'm going to go buy six beanies and the beanies are $150 a piece. And that just, that's just the head. Where's the rest of the body being protected. So.

 

That's where I would more focus on like the harmonization of products like in your home.

 

Nina Elliot

I want to pause you. want you to talk about harmonization, but I want to back up just really fast. Okay. Because I really want to get into harmonizing because it relates to this question. I read the EMF book by Dr. McCullough and I want your feedback at the end of it all. Dr. McCullough, find to be very scientific and he can get a little bit, I guess I can get a little lost with him. Let's just say I get a lot lost with him. So, but what I appreciated about it is he came to it with a very simple, and this confirms what you're saying too, Todd, a very simple sort of checklist.

 

you're aware EMF is damaging your body. You want to stop it. The first thing he says to do is get a meter because you can't fix it. You can't monitor. And then the second step he said, I love that you mentioned food. He said, start intermittent fasting because when you, to your point, when you reduce your window of eating to however many hours you can do on a successful intermittent fast, you're giving your body more time without digestion to be able to cleanse and to relieve that body burden.

 

And then his third thing he would say would be to, he talked about, then tackle all your wireless, get rid of it, cord everything up that you can. And then of course, the fourth thing was exercise. And I just felt like that was like, oh, finally that feels like something I can do. It's easy, like you mentioned, to get into the weeds and be like, dude, I got six kids, five kids, am I supposed to be buying them all? Like they're already expensive enough to clothe. And am I buying curtains for my room? Like it's really easy to get overwhelmed by all the things you can do. And I like that list.

 

And then I would love to start talking about harmonizing. So do you have any comments about Dr. Mercola's sort of method?

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah, so actually, ⁓ another addition to, and I don't, he may talk about that in that book. ⁓ I was at a talk with him in like 2011, 12, when EMS were fairly new in the world. And another, there's actually research behind this, but going on that I'm surprised, I'm sure he must've mentioned these things, but like there are supplements you can take that have been proven to protect yourself from EMS.

 

Nina Elliot

So

 

I'm an NAD, I think.

 

Todd Shipman

Okay, so even further than that would be ⁓ molecular hydrogen. Yes. These are tablets. you can get, but again, this is where expenses come in because you can buy a molecular hydrogen water machine, but they're going to be about 10 or $13,000. And it's like, okay, that I'm going to buy myself a car, you know, it's kind of like, and then, you can get tablets where you just dump them in your, and, and, and they're about $60 for like a month supply, which is what I usually recommend people do.

 

Or there's carbon 60, which is C 60. And both of those are supplements or however you take them, their molecules that are, one of the only things that are so small that they can actually penetrate the mitochondria. So they go in there and then they remove, remove the oxidative stress and the inflammation from a mitochondrial level, which pretty much nothing else can do. There's a few small things, but not that are attainable for someone at their house to buy on Amazon, but C 60. it's carbon 60.

 

and then molecular hydrogen, ⁓ can get hydrogen tablet. Like, so those are the two things that I would say are the best. ⁓ otherwise everything else, yes. Like the magnesium helps NAD helps, but from my experience and my knowledge, NAD doesn't protect you. It's like a bandaid. So it's think about it. Like once the NAD wears off, the EMS are, are still like blasting you. So it's you're, it's basically, ⁓ suppressing.

 

your body's response. So it's still there, but it's suppressed, you know, unlike with like the hydrogen or hydrogen or C 60, it's going to get it as it's coming in. But NAD like that's anything you could feel, you can be hung over near death and you take NAD and for like four hours, you're like diggity dog, you know, but you're still, your body is not feeling that way, but it's kind of lying to you. So NAD is great, but also NAD is crazy expensive. ⁓

 

it, you you can be paying $180 or so for like a real legitimate. Um, no, I'm sorry. You can take supplements of an AD. I'm not a fan at all about those as far as like if you've ever done like an IV or an injection of an AD, nothing else will ever compare. Nothing comes close to getting an, uh, an intermuscular injection of an AD or right to the blood. Um, a pill will never ever come close to any of that kind of stuff, unfortunately, but also there's the difference.

 

costs, you know, it's like the pills will help like with NMM and it's a precursor to NAD. So it helps create that. But if you can get like a shot, which is what Nicole is mostly talking about is like going and getting it injected in your, into your muscle. Then like you just like, can go jump over a car. Like you have so much energy, but it's, false energy in a way, you know, it's going to die off. It's got a very expiration date on that. So, ⁓ I hope I didn't go off too far of a, no, no, you didn't.

 

Nina Elliot

addressing those things. And we always are trying to figure out like supplementation, like to your point, can it get really expensive? And it's hard to know. I would so much rather find real, livable, sustainable solutions. ⁓ So thank you for that. And yeah, so when I was reading,

 

in my own research, I came upon the blocking versus the harmonizing question. And we ended up making a purchase. We finally just pulled the trigger and purchased something. But at the end of the day, I was like, do I block or do I harmonize? Do I block or do I harmonize? And I told my husband, then I just felt like harmonizing just makes more sense. And he was like, why? I'm like, well, because if you block it, it seems to me like there's always a workaround. And where with harmonizing, I liked the way it sounded better. It sounded like,

 

This is a part of our reality. And so I'm just going to make friends with it. And then I was attracted to the fact that it sits next to our Berkey and it felt like, well, it's also doing this great thing to my water. So it kind of felt like I got more bang for my buck and we were happy with our purchase, but I would love for you to tell me if I made the right choice and why.

 

Todd Shipman

So I'm assuming, I'm totally assuming it's a somo-vetic. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I have those, as well. And I love them. ⁓ we don't have go too much detail of those, but like those are like, so that is a legitimate harmonizer. It's a, it neutralizes EMS. And that's another really important thing to talk about is like, you know, this isn't something you want to go buy on Amazon. ⁓ you don't want to find an EMF harmonizing, ⁓ thing off of Amazon because those

 

Nina Elliot

Yes, we got the green.

 

Todd Shipman

there's just no science behind those. And there are ways to take what most people, when you think of like, I harmonize or neutralize EMS to a lot of people, that sounds very woo-woo ⁓ and, you know, can kind of discredit it. When there's actual real science, they're finding ways. Now they don't do this as much in America as in Europe. It's like a normal thing to do dark field microscopy. the United States, to be a physician and utilize dark field microscopy, you have to pay a hundred thousand dollars a year

 

to be allowed to utilize that technology. So no one's gonna do it around here. And it's really considered a silly thing. People are like, well, they only do that in Europe. I mean, Newsflash Europe is probably 20 years ahead of us with their medical abilities. That's why the professional athletes will go there for an ACL replacement. And they're back in four weeks as opposed to here, 14 months. ⁓ there's ways to quantify the product is, and that's why you wanna make sure what you buy

 

is legitimate and it's not someone just trying to ride the wave, you know, buzzwords. So when you harmonize or neutralize, so for example, the soma vetic, you charge, you plug it in and it has a bunch of precious minerals and stones inside it. And these precious stones and minerals have been proven to basically run at the exact opposite frequency as EMFs. So they're there, don't, they just erase the harmful frequencies.

 

And with all these products that we can talk about, they have all tested. they, they will do double blind studies, like as legitimate as you can get with your HRV. So your heart rate variability, which is just kind of like, it's the little time in between your heartbeat. And it's very important as a way to quantify stress in your body through exhaustion, every like, use that to be like, Oh, you'd really bad sleep. Your HRV is low. So you shouldn't work out today.

 

Like that's the, it tells your body basically what, the battery charge truly is. And when you're exposed to EMFs, your heart rate, your ability, your HRV drops significantly. So they do this with people where they're like, let's get you around the wifi, measure your HRV and now let's put this, for example, with somovetic near you. And we're going to check your HRV again and see where it goes. And they do this double blind, meaning that people that will do these tests don't even know what the somovetic is or what it's supposed to do.

 

They just go in and they figure out, okay, this isn't even in their view. It's behind them. It's in the other room. Now we're going to check their HRV while they're exposed to wifi and see what changes. So they're able to quantify and prove that your body is now basically more resilient, but it's just not affected. And that's the big difference. So harmonizing.

 

and neutralizing really is telling you it's creating so your body is not affected by your surroundings. And I think it's much more sustainable for people to go that route than blocking just because of costs. You can get house blockings paint, but it's going to cost you probably 15 or $20,000, you know, to paint this room or two, but it's so expensive and it's lead. People have concerns with that, but that's another route people go. So, I mean, I'd rather spend the

 

you know, there are definitely different somathex, but like the ideal one is about $900 that most people get, but there's, don't have to, if you're just worried about EMFs, you don't have to pay the $900, but the one, the green medic structures water. And it also harmonizes like the geo, called a geothermic from underneath, which is a whole nother world where we have like streams and water and waterfalls underneath the earth or underneath our homes.

 

that create this pressure that come up and affect us too. ⁓ there's that whole aspect that the SomaVetic does too. ⁓ like, and I just truly appreciate the companies like SomaVetic, another one is LeelaQ, like they go far and beyond with the quantifying the data, cause they want to show that it's real. Like, know, LeelaQ, the creator of LeelaQ, so it's LeelaQuantum. Yeah, yeah. So I have,

 

Nina Elliot

He was cube, right? It has that.

 

Todd Shipman

I have three of those because I utilize them in so many different ways. But one of the things they do is they harmonize EMS for, ⁓ to two kilometers, which is amazing. And then they've done all these different things with it. But the important aspect that I'm going with this is the, the creator, the founder is he was the, he's the ex global vice president of T-Mobile. So like, he has a whole different understanding of EMFs and frequencies.

 

and how they work vibrations and frequencies. And that was when he kind of had this realization that this is not the type of like benefit. So how do we now go back and fix all this? Because they're not stopping. 6G is already coming out, 7G is coming out, you know, and they're much further in the military, you know, they're 12G, 13G, you know, what their experiments and weaponry they're doing. And so he's like, we need to, I need to stop this and I need to start doing things to...

 

⁓ neutralized. then Leela Q also makes really, they make clothing too, ⁓ you know, but one of the things they do is the block, but it's similar. Like I use those along the lines with the soma vetic as much as we can have living where we are. I'm happy to, happy to set it up.

 

Christian Elliot

Man, that is so fascinating. We could probably talk about that for another hour, but I want to switch this to another topic because last time we talked, had mentioned you had a rough go with what they told you was COVID pneumonia and just you had to use your toolkit to get better. And one of the things you picked up was chlorine dioxide. So I guess, can you tell us a little bit about the story of how you felt sick and what kind of journey that was like? And then we'll start to wrap in the chlorine dioxide.

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah. So, um, which we can also go into their subject is really funny is, is the fact was I, I used to travel around the country during COVID because we were doing, uh, we're serving combo to people and I didn't give myself combo on one of these trips, but I gave my wife combo. Um, and then we worked on people that had COVID pretty consistently. Uh, and it was reversing their symptoms really quick, but I didn't have it. So I was getting thrown up on and being exposed to people with COVID. So I got COVID. My wife didn't for a month later.

 

which is usually what we say combo will protect you for about a month from any viruses. But I got it while we were out on traveling and I had it so bad because I started to feel like I didn't feel good. I was low energy and I did like the worst thing possible. Like I said, things are healthy stressors, but I went to a cryo chamber because I was low energy and I didn't have a coffee yet or anything. But I was like, I just need to go do some cryotherapy and I'll feel better. And when you do that, it stresses

 

Again, it's supposed to a healthy stressor. So if you're healthy, that's good. Don't do an ice tank. Don't do that stuff. You're getting sick because it suppresses your immune system. Um, and that made things way worse for me. So I had COVID, I had COVID pneumonia where I couldn't be sitting up like this. I would pass out, um, for a month or two. Um, I was, I don't remember most of it. Like my wife drove us home.

 

And then that's all I kind of remember was being on the couch and not to be able to sit up. Couldn't even look at a phone for text messaging. I was useless for about a month and a half until someone recommended, you know, it's like, Oh, you need to take CDS. And I was like, never heard of it. What is this? Is it, know, and he's like, Oh, it's just, it's kinda like, you know, miracle mineral solution and then ask, but it's, a little different or whatever. It like, I still not really sure, but I'll take it. And within like 20, he, he overnighted me something he had a grateful, super grateful for that.

 

And I mean, I was brand new within prob. mean, 24 hours, I was a different person. And within like 48 hours, I was back walking around like nothing had happened for the most part. Um, and we, my wife took them at the same time. Cause she, she had a way simpler, I don't say simpler in that way, but like for her, was a cough and an irritation, but I literally could not sit up. I would, I would pass out. It was so bad. Um, and for her, she was.

 

She kind of skipped through it compared to how I did. But she was taking, she took CDS too and it went away real fast. And any friends that we've had around that are local to us, we give it to them. And you know, they've been on HQQ, they're on Ivermectum and all this stuff and it hadn't worked for two weeks and then they use a CDS. within, usually with no more than 48 hours, like they're back to normal. ⁓ And there's so many uses for CDS. It's something that like I...

 

There's so much limited information, unfortunately. And that's the difference between you can find out from like search engines. If you go to Google and you type in, know, CDS or DMSO or MMS, you're going to find like death and danger and date, you know, all this fear stuff. But if you go to like DuckDuckGo and you type in those same things, you're going to find all these protocols from like ⁓ integrative doctors and

 

functional medicine doctors or people just sharing their own story. It's unbelievable. You'll find two different worlds of just searching those. But if you're searching on Google, it's going to tell you it's going to really scare you because there's, here's PubMed and know, the, the ends and see whatever it is, like the other research stuff. They're like, this is super dangerous and you know, you're going to burn your insides. It's, it's basically like drinking pool water and

 

you know, the important thing to think of is because it's similar to like carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide is the chlorine is not the same. So one is dangerous and the other, it's this one little molecule shift to make it not, you know, the toxic. And it does smell like chlorine. So people are going to see it and be like, it is pool water, but the power is with it. People, know, especially with like parasites, whether it's COVID viral aspects,

 

And you can also just take it as a protocol to cleanse yourself. And there's many other reasons people use it. ⁓ you know, they use it with lime, they use it with mold. ⁓ it kind of just goes in there and cleanses everything out. And it's not like you can't overdose. And that's the other thing you like, they've really truly not found an overdose amount because it, it, it's shelf or it's half life is it's out of your, it's completely non-existent. Your body within three hours.

 

And that's if you're taking like, can drink a whole bottle and you know, obviously you should never drink a whole bottle because well, power to you. If your stomach could handle that much, like the taste would be too much, but like it, it's out of your system within three hours. So you, you can take as much as you need. I diluted, I take 10 milliliters in the morning with like a liter of water. and it's still, you know, unplugging my nose just because it smells like chlorine, kind like the pool water, but, ⁓ and I'll do that twice in the morning and one in evening. ⁓

 

And that's kind like a nice protocol, especially during a full moon for parasites. That's kind of like when we started to to integrate it with the parasite benefits too. And again, lime, people use it for lime, people use it for mold. It'll really help with the symptoms that you have.

 

Christian Elliot

Okay. And what would you tell people about, you know, looking into it or ramping up to maybe a higher dose and how long they take it? Is it just kind of a, there's a, a cute phase and a maintenance phase or

 

Todd Shipman

That's a great question. Yeah. Thanks for asking that so can clarify. So I would say like an acute immediate would be 10 milliliters. Like if you have something going on 10 milliliters in the morning, 10 milliliters in the afternoon. And one also thinks very important is you don't want to mix these with antioxidants. So for those three hours that it's in your system, don't take lemon juice, don't have fruit, don't have chocolate, maple syrup, honey, anything like that, because it will actually defeat the purpose of taking it. Like they will, they neutralize each other.

 

⁓ so what we would do is usually for the first three or four days, take 10 milliliters to really cut anything out. Now you can continue, but it's really not like you don't need that much. So you're kind of wasting the CDS if you go further and then you can cut it down to like five milliliters, ⁓ for maintenance. But if you're having like acute symptoms, I would say 10 milliliters, then you can drop it down to five milliliters. And if you just want a regular dose, just one milliliter.

 

would be fine too. But again, it only stays in your system for three hours. So. ⁓

 

Christian Elliot

Some of the protocols they have you on kind of like a you work up to being able to take it for eight straight hours you take a little bit every hour. Have you.

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah.

 

Yeah, you're right. So that's another route is just to sip on it. ⁓ like basically I think is what they're, I'm assuming I, that's another thing that I was told by, ⁓ a doctor was to sip on it, like get a big bottle and sip on all the hours, which is totally manageable. think that is definitely something, that you could do. For example, if you're having just like lingering symptoms, whether it's Lyme or a sickness, but like, I'm more of just like, I'm going to get this in and out of my system.

 

⁓ But I definitely could see benefits. was told to do that. It's not something that I've done personally Christian, but it's definitely, there's going be some benefits. If you wanted to pour a bunch into it, you want to make sure you keep it out of the sun as much as possible. ⁓

 

just because it'll deteriorate. So like if you're sipping on water, just don't have it outside exposed to that sun, it'll deteriorate faster.

 

Christian Elliot

Okay. And what would be a symptom of somebody having too much not that it's toxic or harmful, but probably just their body is like to your point about cold therapy when you're not well, is there an amount that you could take where you are a symptom your body could give you words? Okay, that's you just hit me with a lot. ⁓ Can we back off on the intensity? Are there particular things you'd have people look for?

 

Todd Shipman

I think the first thing is your outer body is always going be talking to you would be upset, extreme upset stomach. And then probably, probably very quick diarrhea as your body's trying to expel it out. Like this is too much, out of me. You know, that's the response your body tells you. ⁓ that would be what I would see as like the first thing. And it's also just because the taste and like the smell of chlorine is pretty brutal. ⁓ and that's why I always just kind of plug my nose and drink as fast as possible.

 

But like, think that's it. Like it's in a psychological aspect of like, you really might think if you're like, Oh my gosh, this is just like cool water. It's going to make you nauseous, but, um, that'd be the first thing that happened to you is like an extreme upset. Something like it's not the danger. Like it's not cramping or anything. It's just like, get out. Like, I don't want you in here. You're too much. So whichever way you're coming out, you got to get out of me is what your body's going to say.

 

Christian Elliot

Okay, you have any other questions?

 

Nina Elliot

No, I

 

just, I'm relating. did the same thing. I did the chlorine dioxide recently, just dosing it from, was it nine o'clock I started and then three, I was getting sick and I was like, I don't have time for this. And then, yeah, that night I just, I had the runs, I vomited it up and then I felt great. So I think I told Christian, like, I think maybe I went a little too aggressive this time. So my guess, my question to you is, is if I start taking it more often, not that I don't feel like I need to, because my understanding of it is I'm going to take it.

 

at the onset of starting to get the sniffles or starting to feel run down. assuming I don't feel that way very often, but if chlorine dioxide is my go-to, when I do, will I create almost like a tolerance to it or do I just kind of find my own unique dosage that works for me that doesn't put me into like a Hertz? ⁓

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah, I think you just need to add more water. So maybe like do just add more water to it because mostly it's just the response of the smell and sensation of chlorine that your bodies like get out of me. So if you were to do like 10 milliliters and with one liter is pretty safe, like as far as it dilutes it, but it's still there. if you're doing like, cause I, the one time I know I took 10 milliliters and I put it in a very small amount of water and I drank it and I was dry heating.

 

I, because it was so intense, but it's the same amount of medicine or a CDS, you know, but it's just when you dilute it more, it's a little smoother for the taste, but, and your stomach's response to the, the change of environment that's in there. Cause otherwise it's pretty brutal. If like, if you're just to take it straight, like, don't think anyone could keep it up. You know, it'd just be intense. So mix it. But yes, like right on the onsets, if you're doing it to be sick, as soon as you feel like a little scratchy throat or anything, I would take it right away. Um, and those symptoms should go away.

 

unbelievably so quick, you know, it'd be mind blowing to some people if they'd never done CDS, like it is, it's a game changer for anything you have. And so I would say like, if you have, even if you have parasites, it's something you could take in smaller dosages. That's what we do as well. Like we like to play around with different parasitic, parasitic like cleanses. And that one's pretty powerful, like into smaller dosages, cause it's going to go through and kill a lot.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, yeah, for anybody who's interested in chlorine dioxide, in particular, there is a documentary called the Universal Antidote. If you haven't seen it, it's a great film. And to Todd's point, the breadth of different health conditions that can be addressed with this simple solution. You can even purify water with it. It's got so many applications, but Pharma doesn't.

 

Todd Shipman

Sell

 

it as basically that's what they sell it as if you buy it, it's just going to tell you the instructions are on how to clean water that you can trick while hiking or something.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, Todd, do you use the drops and mix them? Or do you just use a pre mixed form? I have both.

 

Todd Shipman

So here's the reason I have both is because, and this is an important for anyone to know because I did this the one time is if you buy the bottle, it takes 24 hours to make it. So if you have the bottle and it comes with the little tablets, I didn't know this until one day I really needed it. And all of a I looked and it's like, ⁓ pour these tablets into the bottle and now wait 24 hours, you know, because it has to have the whole chemical process to turn it in. So at least that's the source how I bought it.

 

But so I will use that for regular but if it's like an acute thing I have ampoules so glass jars of 10 milliliter and you just break it open and they're ready to go. So that's what we kind of learned to do is I have those always in our shelves and then I always will have like so the shelf life of the bottle if you make the bottle and keep it refrigerator it's like six or nine months so like they will it lasts a while but.

 

you know, also if I have nothing going on, I don't want to just have it. So I'll have the ampules for like acute emergencies. ⁓ and then the bottle is, you know, that's for like longer time periods, but like we, like, so my wife had like a little, she thought she, was going through some stress and she's like, well, my throat's tickling. And I was like, okay, well let's get it ready for you. You know, she, gave her an ample, but I started the tablet and had it going. And then like the, you know, the rest of day she's like, yeah, it's gone. Like nothing's there. It's like, okay, well.

 

Not sure if that was really the CDS that reversed that, or if you were just having some stress and your throat was tickling you. But so we always have both, but the ampoules are probably easier for people. They might be a little pricier. Um, so it just kind of depends where you go, but if you can just buy the bottle and just have it ready for you, like the bottle will last you a very long time. Like the amount that's in there could last you. Like if you're using it twice a day, it's still a little for like a month or two. And that's a 10 milliliters. So it's a lot.

 

Christian Elliot

Nice.

 

Okay, great. Okay, so the other big topic you mentioned when you started this story was combo and you had your wife take it before you guys went on your trip and you didn't. And ⁓ for people who have no idea what combo is, start by telling us what it is and why it sounds so crazy and what makes it so effective.

 

Todd Shipman

So combo is the secretion from this Amazonian, they call it the giant monkey tree frog. And it's found deep, deep, deep in the Amazon. ⁓ And it's this sweat slash secretion from this frog that it uses ⁓ as a defense mechanism. So it's mostly fatal if a bird comes and eats it or a snake or whatever animal eats it, it will most likely kill them instantly due to the peptides.

 

So for like animals, it's almost like putting a ⁓ wrench in the gears and stops them. But it happens to be that these are bioactive peptides for humans. So they found this out at some point that I'm not 100 % sure why. There's a lot of like mythological stories of how they found combo because I'm not sure. Just like with a lot of things, it's like, how did you figure this out? And how did you know that it does this? But basically, yeah.

 

There's a lot of different stories and all that. I just don't know the truth to it, but, ⁓ what it basically, what we do is it usually take the secretion and it gets dried up and then we make these little wasabi balls and you apply them on us, topically on a little open skin, like a little, ⁓ a burn mark that we make on the skin. And then we put the frog secretion on there. It gets absorbed into the lymphatic system through the blood and they have found.

 

through a lot of research, there are hundreds of beneficial bioactive peptides in this secretion. There's Dermorphin, ⁓ which is 4,000 times stronger than morphine without the opioid effects as a painkiller. There's Dermiseptin, which the University of Rome and University of ⁓ Paris say that it is the strongest antiviral naturally occurring that they've ever found. It only comes from the frog.

 

Um, and there's so many different peptides in here that there's hundreds of them and they've all gone through really in depth research over the last 40 years. You have certain peptides that completely, they'll give you a reset your whole digestive system. So it makes your body release all the gastric acid, the pancreatic fluid, gallbladder, uh, you get my electric stimulation to your intestines. So think of it like an oil change for your body, your intestines. Um, and.

 

There are just, there's tons of different things in here where it's anti-parasite, anti-fungal, ⁓ anti-inflammatory, goes across the blood brain barrier. So it's really good. And it really deep levels. ⁓ That being said, we can talk about the experience though, how people really incorporate this and what it's like. And the sessions are very extreme, ⁓ but people continuously do them because of the long-term benefits. And what it looks like is, is you come to a,

 

combo. So it's K  A M B O. And you would come to a combo practitioner and you have to fast for like five to six hours. And it's not like plant medicine, where it's for a spiritual relationship. It's mainly just so that you don't have a solid piece of food in your stomach as you're about to purge, which we'll go into. And I do want to preface and let you guys know that like combo is 100 % globally legal.

 

It's a non-psychoactive. So it's not like, and it comes from an animal. So it's not really plant medicine or it's not like the dart frog that people get confused with. there's, this is legal worldwide with so many benefits. It's not regulated or anything like anywhere at this point, besides the Amazon per commercial sale. ⁓ But so you, come with an empty stomach. And then when you get here, like at our place, you'll basically, I'll leave out some of the caveats, but like the majority of the protocol is like you drink anywhere from a liter and a

 

to two liters of water. And that's for me the most uncomfortable part because like that's, that's a lot of water. Everyone's stomach's a little different in size, but getting anywhere to the point where you're about to throw up just from having water is very uncomfortable. So, but at the end of the day, that's going be your best friend because you're going to be purging that back up. So when you put the combo on you, your body has an instant response to it with the peptides going into your body.

 

So there's certain peptides, there's Sauvignon are some of these peptides and it lowers your blood pressure. And this is long-term, so there's a lot of benefits with this. But when you lower your blood pressure, your body's physiological response is to increase heart rate. So your heart rate goes up to like 120 pretty quick. And you have these other peptides that create vasodilation. So the blood rushes to your skin, you become really red, like a niacin flesh, you get really hot. ⁓ And then...

 

peptides kick in that are vasoconstrictive and you become really pale. And while this is what you're feeling, but what's going on in your body is very different. And that's usually when this extreme nausea kicks in and what's going on in your body is it's literally being flushed out. Like I mentioned in the best way to describe like your digestive system is like an oil change. You remove everything similar to like, maybe even say if you like donate blood, you remove all that blood in a healthy way so that you can add more healthy blood later. So you're done with the gastric fluids, but

 

⁓ you get really nauseous. ⁓ it's not like food poisoning. It's not like you have a virus nausea. It's similar to way of like, I you just chugged like a, a quart of milk and sprinted a quarter mile. Like you're just going to purge mainly just from having that much fluid in your body. So what happens is, is the, is the combo is running off of your system. It'll dump things out from your spleen and your appendix. So that's part of your lymphatic system. So when it's running through your, your lymphatic, your blood,

 

It's going through your organs and it dumps everything out. you purge. and when you're purging, you're going to be purging up things like mold, parasites, candida, heavy metal come out. ⁓ we see lots of different things come out. We see different colors. You have lots of bile. It's a really good cleanse. ⁓

 

But you can also have a bowel movement in the process. Like, so it comes out both sides, but mostly it's orally. There's no way to tell if you're going to have a bowel movement with it or not. But it's also like you have enough time to use the restroom. Like you walk to the restroom. not like you just, you know, it's like that. I want to make.

 

Nina Elliot

saw a picture on, think it was your Instagram page of these two girls on like a patio with a garden behind them and they had these buckets and they were on blankets. And I'm picturing something really gross. It almost looked like a spa experience on this Instagram post. How normal is that?

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah, so that was also, that was for a documentary. It's docu-series by higher dose, which is a biohacking company where they're going out and ⁓ they're experiencing all these extreme modalities of health and wellness. And then they document it. It's really cool. It's a great way for people to see what the experience is like. So you can watch the combo one, you can watch them do ketamine. You can watch them do different, different things for different reasons. ⁓ But that, I mean, I don't know, honestly, I mean, that was a little nerve wracking because we're like, well, hopefully there's a restroom.

 

close. and you know, but also like, like combo is very beautiful. It's a very vulnerable and sensitive experience. Um, so like, you know, the space you have it held is very important where we do it at our house. It's very beautiful space, great energy. Um, and you know, if you do it in the Amazon, they do it in the river and the jungle. So you're just throwing up right into the water. You're standing, you know, it's very different, but why we do combo and

 

the Western world is very different than why the Amazonian tribes do combo. The Amazonian tribes do combo for multiple reasons, but much more minimal than us, because they don't do it for the peptide stuff. They're doing it because it increases your senses so much. So you use it to benefit from hunting because it gives you way better vision at night. It makes you smell, taste, hear everything way better. So when they're looking for a leopard at night, it's up in the trees, you know, you can ⁓ see it little better. They do it for

 

increased fertility to find a mate because it like poofs up, makes your skin glow, makes you really attractive. It's, ⁓ some people call it like combo talks. Like it feels like a little bit of fillers in places. ⁓ so like those are the reasons they do it compared to why we're doing it here. We're doing it here. Most of my clients are like lime mold, depression, anxiety. I, while there's a lot of science.

 

With it already done, I'm working also to try to legitimize it even deeper. We work with the Houston, the Peak Brain Performance Institute, where they take ⁓ QEG headbands, where it your brain waves, and they'll do it before combo and then after combo. And we're like five months post, just one combo ceremony. And they show that these people...

 

have a significant increase in alpha brain wavelengths. So meaning your body's more alert, your brain is more susceptible to learning and holding information in. And they describe it as for your body's overall response is similar to like a flexural, like a muscle relaxer. So like it's really beneficial for people with anxiety, depression, ⁓ any type of pain because it's anti-inflammatory, like so the dermorphin, peptide. ⁓ We see we...

 

I think we have like five or six combo babies, where people who have tried so many different ways to get pregnant and couldn't, and they come and work with us. And it's amazing to see that. It's amazing for addictions. We work with people on the addictions because there's peptides that reset your pituitary gland and reset your adrenal cortex. Also lose your cortisol. So, I mean, I'm going to go too into deep with like the addiction, but like it's very powerful with that as well as

 

combo just cleanses your entirely. like it resets your alcohol tolerances completely. And in many people, when they feel that clean, it's almost like they don't want to reintroduce that stuff. And that's their choice. That's up to them. But we see that a lot where they're like, I just don't really crave sugar as much anymore because I know now my body, it's like a reset to restart completely. ⁓

 

Nina Elliot

Things

 

I kept running into in my research was that anti-depress, like it's really good for anxiety and depression. And then the, and then it's used heavily for people who have addictions. are the two things I kept seeing constantly about Congo.

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah. And that's, that's where one of those things where it, you know, it's 20 to 25 minutes of extreme nausea. you're not throwing up for the whole 20, 25 minutes. comes in waves, but you are nauseous and uncomfortable because all of this stuff has happened in your body. It's ripping it out. That's why it's, it's a massive, massive, like, benefit for people with Lyme because it's one of the better antibacterials that are found. So it's like a war zone going on with someone who has Lyme. So it's very uncomfortable, but the benefits.

 

far outweigh how they feel. It's way more, I see way more people that are wanting to do combo than beasting therapy, just due to the effectiveness of like 20 minutes and you're done for a good month. know, the symptoms are going to be pretty suppressing. it helps with like what you call line brain. and these all very specific protocols for certain people, depending on where they are health wise is depends on like the location on the body that we put the combo as well as how much combo we use and how long the combo stays on the system. So there's a lot of variables with that.

 

⁓ but that that's where it's so effective for so many different things that we see people with. ⁓ and that's on a physical level. And then there's also so many different spiritual and, and I'll use this way to mean demeanor, again, woo woo, like things that happen with combo that I would just be dumb to ignore. Like the power of intentions and power of goals that we see with combo are just.

 

unbelievable. you know, I have endless amounts of stories, but like I really quick, I had a person who, ⁓ they wanted to cleanse their eyes because they were having, ⁓ they had a botched lasik surgery and they were like, I want to fix my eyes. Like, well, I mean, scientifically, this is not what this is not what combo is going to do. And they were a physician's assistant, you know, and they were using eye drops every few minutes because their eye

 

can release new fluid. And while we were doing combo the whole time, she's like, my eye feels like there's glass in it. And I'm like, I don't know. I, this isn't not anything I've ever really experienced with combo. Maybe it's because there's a little bit of inflammation acutely happening in the eyes. And maybe you have sand from the beach or something. And well, it turned out as soon as she was done, she hasn't in the past like year and a half has not used, ⁓ eyedrops and like her eye is perfectly fine.

 

My wife had what we thought was a, it ended up being the chemicals from a, were doing athletic classes out at ⁓ a local park and they were putting chemicals and stuff ⁓ in the grass, but we thought she had a candida rash. So we did a combo and she wanted to cleanse her eyes. And again, not something I would say would do it. And her whole time doing combo, she had this white mucus coming out of her eyes, like out of the eyelids. And then all that rash was gone. And like, so these are power of intentions, you know, like this is what I want to do.

 

We see with physical traumas and sexual traumas, it's really, really interesting to see like if you have a sexual trauma, combo will immediately go to your ovaries or your uterus or any of your reproductive organs and it will cramp them and squeeze them in a very discomforting way. But it's because even if you have forgiven emotionally, you still have that physical trauma.

 

And we see this all the time. you like, Christian, let's say you had a surgery on your knee and it hadn't fully healed. Like you're going to feel combo right there. And it's going to like go in there you're to be like, wow, it's right on the surgical. I can feel it like cramping because there's still trauma there and it's squeezing it out. So we see that the psych or the psychedelic times wrote a whole article on combo being a forced cathartic. it forces your body to release emotions, trauma, emotional, physical.

 

And we see that. And again, there's no way to quantify besides, you know, your anecdotal, like, yeah, I felt the cramping and it was crazy. Like that's as far as we can go with that. ⁓ but so there's really no way against scientifically to prove this, but it's like, we have hundreds of these stories where people are like, my liver hurts or my liver has issues. And then all they feel with combo is a cramping in their liver. And then when it's done, it's over. We people throw balls of worms, like they go to the doctor and the doctor, they literally said it felt like they had a hard pull, the egg stuck in their intestines.

 

and the doctor doesn't find anything in there ⁓ when they do scans. And then when they do combo, the first time when the local person did a combo, she felt it, which it might move up. And then when she did combo again, it moved back up. And then one time when it's finally done, a ball of ⁓ worms. So there's all these things that it does on a full spectrum. It fully detoxes you. ⁓ That's one thing with addiction, by the way, it's so powerful, I find, is it basically

 

from my experience, it bypasses the withdrawal phase. So we have people who are coming off of fentanyl and meth and, know, methadone, all these different things. And a lot of people go back to what they were doing because they don't want to handle the withdrawals anymore. So with combo, it pushes everything out and catalyzes it so that you're not having these like nasty withdrawals for a week. It's like, it's over in that 25 minutes. Sometimes we do another ceremony with them or something, but that's one reason I think it's also very beneficial for addictions.

 

is they're not worrying about, they don't have to worry about the sitting in bed drenched in sweat, shivering, nauseous.

 

Christian Elliot

Wow.

 

Nina Elliot

Fantastic. We're signed up.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, by the time you guys watch this, you'll get to hear our story too. So give me some of the misconceptions people have about it or things they're gonna find online that might scare them away from trying it.

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah. So there's a few, ⁓ like you can go onto YouTube, you can Google it. And, ⁓ again, I think it's a different screen. If you check on like Google or another browser, but you know, majority, even I will jump on Google first and start looking. So it's just the most common. ⁓ but the main thing, the danger that comes with combo I've done well over a thousand of these ceremonies and have like a perfect report card, no dangers, no issues, but it's because I'm also very experienced and I've also have extensive.

 

further training than what just normal people might get as a certification. As long as they're properly certified and trained, it's safe to go with them. I've just been so passionate about this that I've done all the, extensive long, you know, the, the PhD status type of stuff that you can get in combo is, is where I go with this, but like the dangers come, with mostly hyponatremia. So that's too much water. So we don't get

 

anywhere near that amount of water that would be in danger for us. But sometimes people are drinking five liters of water ⁓ before having the combo put on. And then sometimes they don't purge. And that just means their body is not going to purge. It does happen. It's rare, but some people just don't purge during combo. It's not a big deal, but it's also very minimal amount. Like 9.9 out of 10 people are going to be purging the whole time, you know, ⁓ but some people don't. But so what happens is they do that.

 

And then they are like, well, you're not throwing up. So drink more. And then they still don't purge. And then that person leaves them. And, know, all of a they have seizure. You have a hypernutrient, I mean, too much water. mean, your cells have now pushed out all the potassium and sodium of your cells that it needs. And now your, your cells overflow and basically rupture. So that is a very real concern.

 

But that's also the importance of finding someone who's properly trained. And there's lots of ⁓ resources out there. There's Combo International as a website. There's the IKP, there's Combo Finder. All these will show their certifications and their training, which is really important. Because if they're trained, this is not a concern they know. But other people who learn off of YouTube, that can be problematic. And then that's the main concern. There are some definitely no-nos with Combo, like if you're pregnant.

 

⁓ mainly because there are peptides that are smooth muscle contracting ⁓ on an extreme amount. So like it could induce labor. That's where the danger comes in with that. Otherwise, I would say...

 

far as dangers, it really depends on who you're working with and what they're comfortable doing. the main concern also people have, which is a very real one is like the sustainability of the frog, just like anything they want to know the safety, how's the frog treated as a harmed, are they doing it purely off of profit? And, um, this may not come out the right way, but the way I mean it intentions are is like the good thing about combo is, is if the frog is stressed or hurt, it'll actually bleed.

 

the secretion as opposed to sweating it in a way. And that makes it useless. So they have all the, all the reasons in the world to not harm the frog in that way, because if it bleeds, it's no one's going to buy a bloody combo. So it's useless to them. they do not want to harm the frog in that way, but it's also in ways where it's like, they, they, the, the shamans will go at night. These are nocturnal frogs and they call the frogs and the frogs come to them and

 

I would say that it'd be after doing this for 40 years, if the frogs weren't liking it, they wouldn't come back. These frogs live to be about 12 to 15 years old and they will mark them to make sure they don't get them again for another time. Like, so they're not over, they only want to take the first layer of the sweat. the frog, it's a very, you know, synergistic relationship and there's a lot of respect involved with this. So, and I'm also not trying to like, you know,

 

romanticize it or anything, but it's like they have this very strong respect for the power of the frog and they are going to take care of the frog because they know in return it's going to take care of them. So ⁓ they will grab the frog, the frogs come to them and they will, ⁓ there's different ways to do it. Some of these guys have gotten so good that they don't have to tie the frog up, but sometimes they'll tie the arms up and then they tickle it and it sweats out and they grab it.

 

and they put it on a stick and they let the frog go. But some people nowadays, they can hold the frog enough to just scoop it off. The frogs are pretty big. I mean, they would fit in a good sized hand. They're not small. There are versions that are really small, but there are some that are definitely good sized frogs, bigger than what you'd normally see as a frog. Again, they can hand in your hand. It's probably like a size 12, 13 foot. A foot would be them.

 

That's where a lot of people have the concern is, the frogs harmed? And I totally respect that. A lot of people get it confused with Bufo, which is the Sonoran toad that comes out of lower Mexico and Arizona. And that is, there's some real danger to that because people will find these frogs and that is for the five MEO DMT that people smoke and it's a psychedelic. ⁓ But there are people who will go, you know, harm those frogs just to get the secretion off of that, but that's not combo.

 

That's a totally different animal. so that's really like where the, you know, the things that people need to learn, know about it is make sure, know, your practitioner and that they're, experienced. Find out who they've, you know, trained under. There's lots of organizations, lots of great organizations. It's just so that you're aware of that information. ⁓ And then, yeah, I mean, the fraud, the sustainable, the way they they're doing it currently, cause they have, cause we benefit. There are a lot of people who definitely don't like the fact of like,

 

know, Westerners using Indigenous tribe medicine and the same end of it, it's like the tribes benefit from us because we're paying or, you know, we're actually buying this from them and then they can use resources and buy and trade stuff themselves. So it's not one-in, it's not a one-sided benefit relationship.

 

Christian Elliot

Okay, so two more questions on combo. One is how many treatments are people typically set set themselves up for mentally that gets them a desired outcome? How do you help talk somebody through the frequency?

 

Todd Shipman

⁓ so that again really matters. It's that's very case by case. ⁓ now the Amazonian tradition, there's no science behind this at all, but they say to do three sessions within a month. there's just really nothing to back that up besides it's just a tradition. ⁓ but what we will do normally is like three ceremonies back to back to back. So if you have Lyme and you have active symptoms of Lyme, or you really have a heavy amount of mold and you want to remove mold,

 

SIBO, any kind of IBS, gut issues, like we'll do back to back to back. like one day, another, like the second day, like, so three days in a row, we'll do a ceremony. Tends to be very beneficial for people with acute problems. ⁓ For, you know, we've seen, we've done before and after tests for heavy metals and where someone has high mercury and after like six sessions, their mercury levels are balanced back out. So it just depends on how fast you want that. You could do those in six months. It doesn't need to be six and six days.

 

⁓ you know, but it's very powerful on removing things. But again, if you've got like math major, ⁓ depression, ⁓ going on, you know, one ceremony will be plenty for someone usually for a month. if you're having certain things like depression or anxiety, I'd say one a month would be good. things like endometriosis we'll do it like once every six months for people. ⁓ it is case by case for the most part. ⁓ but in general, people come to us and they'll be like, I want to do the three, like, cause people fly in here from around the country.

 

They'll do three ceremonies and three days while they're visiting and then get to utilize the beach and the Panhandle. Awesome environment too.

 

Christian Elliot

Right. Very cool. And then Nina's question earlier, before we started recording the idea that some people have in their mind that their purging system doesn't work as well, or they've got particular genes that keep them from being able to detoxify. How would you respond to somebody who is in that situation or thinks they're challenged within their detoxification pathways?

 

Todd Shipman

Yeah, that's a great question and a very real concern too. And ⁓ again, especially if it's like with mold or you're having these issues with the detox pathways is you need to work with someone who is trained with that specifically. And there are people that can do that. ⁓ But again, like combo is going to override a lot of things. So it's going to detox you because it takes over. It's very, very masculine energy with that.

 

So it dominates in the way. that's why people are like, well, I don't like to throw up. I'm like, well, good luck. Cause you're going to throw up like most of time. And less like even people that are like, you know, type a controllers, everything like that. Then it's like, you're still like combo is going to, you're going to bow down in a way to like submit to it for the most part, but it's going to detox you. It's going to override. It'll remove. still see the mold all the time, specifically people here in the pan handle.

 

where they release the mold, they're sensitive. ⁓ And that is definitely something I specialize in. So people fly in from all around the country, ⁓ again, just for a three day or a week long visit ⁓ on helping them counter their lime or their mold. And it's just not, it's definitely not a normal, it's not a normal... ⁓

 

protocol. So it wouldn't be that, we put the dots on and you're good to go. It's like you have to stagger it. Certain locations of the body are important. ⁓ All that there goes with it. But if you work with someone who's comfortable with it, you'll have a great experience.

 

Christian Elliot

Anything else you would we have not covered about combo that you'd want to tell people or fantastic story or something we didn't get to.

 

Todd Shipman

no, I mean, really it's just, such a powerful medicine. And I don't say this lightly. I really don't, but it's like the ultimate detox for people in so many ways. And it's like, that's why I never planned on getting into this the way I did, but it's like, I'm always doing the extreme different things. And my wife is the one who introduced this to me. She's battling, ⁓ for, 15 years with alcoholism and did AA for over a decade would relapse, go back relapse and stuff.

 

did all the meds that they prescribed. And it's just not the way we wanted to live where it's like, well, you're sober, but you're on Suboxone or you're on all these different things, you know, that aren't really sober, but in the AA world, they acknowledge it as being sober, but she's not living the life she wants to live. So we, she found plant medicine and was doing ayahuasca and San Pedro and psilocybin in therapeutic aspects. So very not.

 

Not, Hey, I'm going on a trip journey to have fun. Like this is ways to heal trauma. And she was doing all this, but then also someone suggested like, you know, you're doing all this stuff, but you're not helping yourself physically. So you need to do combo. And so she did combo and it was so eye opening and life changing for her. And at the time I really wasn't interested in it. And she basically gave me an ultimatum in a way, but that's not why I chose to do it. was her conviction. She basically told me she's like, listen,

 

Like this ship is sailing and you're going to get left on the dock. Like I want to be with people who are looking to better themselves and level up. And that was like the, wow, like the conviction, because who wants to throw up? I didn't want to throw up. Like I had no interest in it, but I did it. It was so changed. Like for me, the amount of like confidence and clarity I got immediately was like, Whoa, there is something to this. So I did it more and did it more. ⁓ but I really, it's one of those true things. I think that full spectrum.

 

everyone can benefit from it somehow, some way, like whether it's the inflammation, the depression, the clarity, there's ways to do this where we put them on chakra points or meridian lines to really help things. So if you need some help with your heart chakra, your solar plexus, your voice heard, you want more confidence, there's ⁓ strategic places to put combo that can help with that.

 

Christian Elliot

One other thing, would you recommend or have you had any experience with people doing combo during fasting?

 

Todd Shipman

So they suggest not to, I have done it. And again, I think there's a lot of safety blankets with combo and I understand and respect those, but the concern with fasting and combo really is just your electrolyte balance. So you would wanna make sure to take electrolytes with the water as you're drinking it so that you absorb some of it. But that's the concern if you read, don't fast with, if you're doing combo, don't fast for more than 12 hours. It's because it's a blanket statement. ⁓

 

about electrolyte imbalance. Okay, because if you're low on electrolytes, because you're not eating or taking them in through food, and then you're chugging water, that's where the hyponutrient could become an issue again. So work with someone who's fully comfortable with that. And simple enough to add some electrolytes to your drink, if you're fasting.

 

Christian Elliot

Very cool. Okay, so I guess transitioning to water, you mentioned with combo that obviously water is a big part of that. And so one of the things I've been reading and having my mind blown on recently is just the a couple of things about water, one that it has this fourth phase where it's there's solid liquid and gas and there's kind of this gel phase of water. Right. And then the idea that water actually has some level of memory. And so talk to us a little bit about because I know you also have studied water and you know a lot about the different

 

Todd Shipman

Plasma, yeah.

 

Christian Elliot

phases and ⁓ ways to structure it or ⁓ even the pH balance. So tell us a little bit just for people who are new to the concept that water has a fourth phase, maybe start there and just give us some information on what none of us have ever learned about water.