E11: Robert Yoho MD (Part 1)

Stories and Lessons from His Book "Butchered by Healthcare"

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Christian Elliot

All right. Welcome everyone to episode 11 of Deconstructing Conventional. I have the tremendous honor of my first guest being Dr. Robert Yoho. There's probably no one I know of.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Nothing.

 

Christian Elliot

that fits the definition of deconstructing conventional better than you. You've been at this for several years and really started in your own journey as a medical professional. So ⁓ I just want to start with just getting your story. to let you guys know who Robert is, he is a background in emergency medicine, general practice, and cosmetic surgery. He was practicing medicine for about 41 years. He's written at least three books, butchered by healthcare.

 

hormone secrets and Cassandra's memo. So we're gonna focus today in this episode on butchered by healthcare. But Robert, thanks so much for carving out some time and ⁓ spending it with me today.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Christian, it's great when you get to talk to your friends. And of course, we've, we had a visit together in Florida when I came over and hung out with your family and met all, but your latest kid.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, I have went on and had another one since we met.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Thanks for having me on. It's a pleasure to talk.

 

Christian Elliot

Right on, well thank you. All right, so tell us, if you will, what's the story behind Butchered by Healthcare? It's obviously a provocative title, probably on purpose. So what was really your first kind of, I can't unsee this moment as you started looking at the medical profession and how did that lead to the book?

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, I was in the terminal phases of my career and I was getting ⁓ kind of hit on by the medical board and ⁓ you know, whether this is reasonable or not, ⁓ you guys can judge if you read my online presence, it'll look terrible. But if you read Butchered by Healthcare, it'll explain what happened. But ⁓

 

I started to read and started to write and I almost had a compulsion to write about medicine after a career like this. And so I looked at the areas of medicine one after another over a three year period and wrote this book, which I eventually called Butchered by Quote Healthcare Unquote. And it's about healthcare corruption. And I began to see myself as a healthcare whistleblower. And my

 

material is not original. It's all derivative and the book has 500 references. So it's become a minor viral hit on Amazon. I give it away for free in my Substack, which is robertyoho.substack.com or the ebook anyway. And I think it has a lot of lessons that basically lead up to the pandemic. And it was released before the pandemic started. The quote pandemic. ⁓

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, I can't even bring myself to use that word. just call it the COVID era now. Yeah. Right. Okay. Well, I wanted you have several chapters. Obviously, we can't go through all of it, but I figured I'd just tee you up with some of the big themes that are in there and let you just riff and tell people a lot of things they just may not have heard or what their doctor wouldn't tell them or what media and other sources would not tell them. I guess where I wanted to start was just your perspective on the medical journals and the reliability or

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

COVID era.

 

Christian Elliot

not so reliable information that people find in there these days. So start with that because that often becomes the foundation people go to to look for information. And if we question that, then we're free to question a lot more. So talk to us about that first.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, that's a dark story. mean, they've been bought and sold completely and they, ⁓ I mean, I, the, the BMJ, the British medical journal formerly called the British medical journal is like prints, right? Formerly the artist prints is now called the BMJ, but they may be the best one standing, but these, ⁓ these things are rags now and they are entirely, ⁓ purchased by pharma and the other industrial medicine sources. And

 

The science, the quote science in them has been completely ruined by statistical tricks and the ignorance of the readers. Sometimes they can put all the information in an article, make a conclusion that's different, and no one will get the joke but the people who write the article. I mean, they're a mess. Pierre Corrie is an interesting...

 

Case in point, this guy ⁓ read the journals like biblical scrolls. And he's very bright, one of the top ICU doctors in the country. And when he got it, he realized that he couldn't trust anything anymore. And he had to re-examine his beliefs. I mean, the medicine has been all about ⁓ journals and the quote, science.

 

We've all believed the story until recently. Some of us saw it early, but I can't claim that I did. I gradually, this, this information dropped on my head piece by piece and it's every bit of it is, has been agonizing for me. And I learned that the most painful thing in life is changing your mind. And I've had to change my mind hundreds of times about issues that I thought were solid.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah. I remember in your book, in your preface, you've got, wanted to read it because it was so good. It says, life's most painful, challenging and imperative work is shedding illusions. Two years ago, I understood less than half of the contents in this book. So since then, I've been setting fire to my preconceptions and burning them to the ground. It has been agonizing. So tell us a little bit about that, the emotional awakening process of just learning what you just mentioned about the journals and so on.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, butchered was the first book I wrote and that was quite painful. But since then, ⁓ you know, I wrote two other books, one called hormone secrets, which I knew a lot about before. So that one wasn't quite as painful. basically the use of bioidentical hormones as a therapeutic tool for mainly for older people hasn't been addressed by main, the mainstream medicine because big pharma doesn't make any money on them.

 

And so that wasn't such a surprise because I'd been studying that for 10 years before I quit. But the really shocking stuff has come in the last three years. I mean, I can't, if I'm a full-time academic about current events and medical corruption, I spend 50 plus, sometimes 60 hours a week, sometimes seven days a week working, trying to figure out what's going on and

 

⁓ writing about it on robertyoho.substack.com twice a week. And I spend many times 20 plus or even 30 hours on one of my 2,500 to 3,000 word posts. So I mean, every, every month or every two months, I encounter something that just knocks me out of my chair. And my most recent insights were about the freaking dentists. And I realized that.

 

that these guys were very off base and we can talk about that later if you want. But off base is a very kind word for what they've done.

 

Christian Elliot

Okay, well yeah, we'll get to dentistry. So ⁓ tell us about the drug, the pharmaceutical world, and obviously there's plenty there, but some of it is just the mindset or approach of it. But tell us in particular about statins and opioids, if you would.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, the opioids, these are fairly well known stories. ⁓ and the pharma story is fairly well known now and everybody, you know, everybody that I know pretty much understands that the pharmaceutical companies have turned pathological. They've got ambitions that are, you know, that are ridiculous. mean, they seem to want to conquer the world or they want, they're part of the cabal that is up to it. And the, you know, the recent, ⁓

 

COVID vaccine experiment turns out not to be a vaccine at all, but a bio weapon designed to thin the herd because it's killed so many people and the.

 

Christian Elliot

It's hard to even swallow saying that,

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. But, ⁓

 

So prior to that, ⁓ one of the stories that is another thing that's hard to grasp, if you're if you've just been kicking along the standard path, is that all vaccines have a higher mortality than they save. In other words, they they they kill more people than they save every single vaccine. And we know this is true because they've never been studied properly.

 

Along with psych drugs, this class of medications has never been controlled, has never been compared with an inert placebo. In other words, they've never been compared against a sugar pill or a saltwater injection. And that means that they don't work. the ⁓ because if they did work, they would have studied them the other way. And there's a whole lot more to the story. Your listeners can.

 

read the chapters and Cassandra's memo about that, or they can look at my posts or they can turn to two very excellent texts. ⁓ one, one is called, ⁓ turtles all the way down and the other is called dissolving illusions. And those are available on Amazon and those tell the whole story. And it's, it's quite shocking, but these things just, they, they create many, many problems and

 

the one of the worst problems that they, one of the worst mechanisms that they've used is they, at first they all used mercury in the vaccines. And then in 2001, they switched to aluminum. Now, I mean, I was naive about all this stuff, but these are two of the most toxic elemental metals in our environment. Mercury in particular is exceedingly toxic. And if you have mercury amalgams in your mouth,

 

you need to seriously consider getting those taken out by a biological dentist who's very careful about it because the stuff's so dangerous. ⁓ But anyway, these vaccines all have this thing called an adjuvant, A-D-J-U-V-A-N-T in their ingredient list. And these are, the mercury and the aluminum have been used to do this and they've somehow gotten a liability relief in ⁓

 

I think it was 1986, 84. And so they can't be sued over these, uh, these substances.

 

Christian Elliot

When did you first learn that, Because obviously you're medical doctor for decades. When did it first ⁓ cross your awareness that pharmaceutical makers, anybody that made vaccines, didn't have liability for injuries or deaths from those shots?

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

not long ago, frankly. I, when I was practicing, I quit five years ago or four and a half years ago or something like that. I had no clue about that because practicing medicine is so consuming that physicians rarely have time to do anything but pat the next patient on the back and their economic pressures and there are regulatory pressures and there's, you know, it's just

 

unimaginable if you haven't been in it in, part of the, you know, part of the, part of the crowd. So I had no clue about any of it. And only I started reading for butchered by healthcare a couple of years before I quit and started writing, started setting up my writing practice and so on. And, ⁓ but I didn't know about vaccines until recently. mean, recently the last two years.

 

Christian Elliot

Would you say that's more or less common or the norm in the medical industry? Most doctors aren't even aware of that law that was passed in 84.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

It's universal. the thing about changing your mind is if you don't have a good reason to change your mind, if you're not under pressure of some, some kind, and you know, I largely put the pressure on myself, but once I got started, it's like a, I, I've been reading and operating as if I'm under some sort of compulsion because I feel like the time is short to get the word out. And Christian,

 

As we both know, you were far ahead of me in understanding what was going on. I found you through an article you wrote that went viral and I tracked you down like an animal. You remember that? I finally got a hold of him and he was willing to talk to me and I thought, man, I've really got a hold of the source here. so since then we've been colleagues and yeah.

 

Christian Elliot

Yes.

 

Right on. Okay, well, ⁓ go back to the medical pharmaceuticals for a second and riff for a little bit on statins in particular and that I would call scam.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Yeah. I'm going to drop a post about this soon, but in the midst of all the excitement, I haven't had time to study this in the detail it deserves, but, ⁓ there are many, ⁓ references and so on that you can use to substantiate what I'm about to say, which I'll just put in a number of assertions. So statins are, you know, I mentioned two other classes of drugs that are actually harmful.

 

the psych drugs, which we can talk about and the vaccines, they have a net negative effect on lifespan and they should never be used for any purpose. ⁓ But statins are in the same category. They're a little more benign, but they're still just, they're a fraud that's been perpetrated on

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, I want to hear that too.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

the medical community and the medical community has participated in per in perpetrating this fraud on the public. So they don't work. They don't decrease the chances of dying from heart disease and the entire cholesterol theory has holes in it that you can drive a truck through. So, you know, frankly, I wasn't responsible for the statins, but ⁓ it's hard for, it's hard for me to believe that anyone

 

who was a serious academic would have ⁓ ever found them credible. And, you know, the psych drugs are the same way. The psych drugs are, have a little dirtier history as far as I can tell. But, you know, the statins have this history dating back to the information that was supposedly learned in the Framingham study, which is a huge study about cholesterol and its, you know, impact on health and longevity. And there were,

 

There were problems with it, but I'm not prepared to address those. It's not my center of expertise, but I will make myself more knowledgeable in the near future and drop a post about that.

 

Christian Elliot

Right. Well, if Robert's going to put his mind to it, stay tuned and get on his mailing list because you're going to want to see what he will document about that industry. So, okay. You mentioned psych drugs and so zoom out with us. know I've heard you mentioned before you like me came across Robert Whitaker's book, The Anatomy of an Epidemic and how it just totally wrecks your view of psychiatry as a profession in general. So what did you learn from that book and tell us more about psych meds and the diagnoses that come from that industry?

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

So Whitaker is a journalist and he put together a website called mad in America, where a lot of people who have been injured and damaged by psych drugs collect and talk about the problems. ⁓ but, basically he's the one that turned me on to the fact that we have no placebo controls and any psych drug trial. Can you imagine that?

 

Christian Elliot

Well, and the testing, yeah, how you figure it out?

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Yeah. the science is pure soap bubbles concocted by the craziest group of physicians that we have, the psychiatrists. I mean, I hate to insult anybody, but, these guys ⁓ allowed all this stuff to happen on their watch and the drugs that they have come up with that are used in the modern era, the there's four classes of these drugs in rough terms, but they all have tremendous flaws.

 

For example, the SSRIs like Prozac create violent and suicidal behavior and are probably responsible, almost certainly responsible for the mass shootings that we've seen because who the heck would behave like this? We have 25 % of the populace on psych drugs. So if you're, if you're thinking seriously about getting involved in a road rage incident, you'd better think twice because

 

because on the other side of the road rage, maybe one person on these drugs whose behavior is completely unpredictable. So that's the SSRIs like Prozac. They have various problems. were other countries with sensible FDAs like Germany, least attempted to refuse their approval, but they were bought or they were pressured somehow to approve the drugs. And the United States, of course, they sailed through because our FDA is totally bought and paid for by the industry.

 

So, ⁓ the other class of these things, we have something called atypical anti-psychotics and Zyprexa, I believe was the first of these. Now these drugs shorten your lifespan by 10 to 20 years, but we use them like, like jelly beans. They pass them out. If, if they don't respond to Prozac, the psychiatrist, their training is to give someone a little brown bag filled with colored pills and tell them to take, take them at random. Now I'm, I'm exaggerating, of course.

 

But I, I, I don't have any, any confidence in the, the, the, the psych drugs or the current psych model of prescribing instead of counseling. Now counseling has its own problems. You're a counselor, but it certainly seems to do something. But the psych drugs have universally negative impact. The people, ⁓ the drugs do have psychoactive effects, but they're negative. And what happens is that numbs people out.

 

And once you've been on these things for five years, it's very hard to get off of them because they're tremendously addictive. Now they don't have addictive qualities like opioids. don't sweat and you know, you're not, ⁓ you know, you don't have a physical withdrawal, the mental withdrawal is profoundly difficult and people sometimes are successful in getting off these drugs. If they go to a compounding pharmacy,

 

and reduce the doses very, very slowly. mean, like by 10 % a month, you know, over, over a year, they, they sometimes were able to get off these things and most people need to continue taking them or they, just are continued being given prescriptions by their, their doctors. And so we have, go ahead.

 

Christian Elliot

I heard you in another interview or two talk about kind of what you more or less term fake diagnoses of things like ADHD or where the idea of a chemical imbalance even came from. So mention those for a second.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

that chemical imbalance was invented in a marketing department of a drug company and that's well documented and it's very, very clever. And it's, it's come up to the public awareness to the point where everybody believes that story. And, but there are knowledge of what's going on at a neurochemical level is barely more, less rudimentary than it was when that phrase was invented. And I believe that was probably around 1990.

 

And they've used it to sell Prozac and then other subsequent psych drugs ever since. And it sounds very credible and it sounds like the doctors or scientists, but nope, they're pushing drugs that they don't know anything about.

 

Christian Elliot

The egregious part to me is there, if we're going to claim there's a chemical imbalance, there's actually no lab tests that are done for any psych meds. It's just an amorphous collection of symptoms based on a questionnaire or a conversation. And then they call that a chemical imbalance. Like maybe you're sad, maybe you need a hug. There's so many other things that could be part of the solution and now we're just going to go chemical on you. And to me that,

 

Anyway, I'm going to get fired up if I talk, so you take the mic.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

The criteria for putting people on these drugs are often a questionnaire that takes 10 minutes to fill out is administered by a medical assistant. And then the people are committed to these drugs for indefinitely years sometimes, or frequently indefinitely. So, I mean, the whole, the whole thing is an outrage and the psychiatrists are guilty, ⁓ but, ⁓ they've been manipulated by the, ⁓ the pharmaceutical industry and these things are tremendously profitable.

 

Christian Elliot

Yep. Okay.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, that was the most was the most profitable drug in history. The Staten group until ⁓ the covid quote vaccines came out and. ⁓

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, just let people know how much money has been spent on statin since they were introduced.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

You know, I, I, you, come up with a figure because I'm afraid I'll miss quoted. That's what I was going to say is roughly 900 million or some crazy thing. mean, it's just, it's just, it's an outrage. Yeah.

 

Christian Elliot

It's a trillion dollars. Yeah.

 

No, Yeah.

 

T trillion. Right around a trillion dollars of revenue. Yeah. On, on the, on one class of medications, of course they want to keep that going. So, okay. Talk to us a little bit about, mentioned in another interview oncology and cancer treatments and the screenings that go on for, ⁓ that particular malady.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

A thousand billion.

 

Well, oncology is one of the sicker parts of medical care. And the literature and the cancer literature, the best that these guys can get out of 95, 98 % of their therapies is an additional. Their goal is two more months of survival. So basically the stuff doesn't work. we're spending, you know,

 

$100,000 a year or even more on many of these treatments. ⁓ so the oncologists have this incredible conflict of interest. They are given a kickback for of 20 % on every drug that they administer in their office. So the goal, the financial goal for these guys is to

 

get a room full of barka loungers, which are the, those recliners, those big soft recliners and have IVs in between 10 and 30 people at once and give these drugs every day of the week and harvest their, ⁓ whatever the heck they're making. their, their pay has just escalated unbelievably. Some of the people describing the thing from the inside say that the chemo is like,

 

like their cardiac cath, which is the big moneymaker for cardiologists, or it's like their surgical procedures. They make so much money on this and they're, they, it's just, they can't have any perspective on what they're doing when sometimes their incentive goes up by the milligram. Okay. So if you think about that, they're incentivized to give larger doses of this very toxic stuff ⁓ that

 

Christian Elliot

Okay.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

that probably shouldn't be used at all. They have about five diseases they can cure, maybe seven, but outside of these, their work is almost entirely futile. Now that may be, I'm not an oncologist, they have a very difficult job, they're dealing with death and dying, ⁓ but ⁓ like everyone else, they seem to have become a horse to the money.

 

Christian Elliot

When how is that legal though? I can't imagine any other profession where you get a 20 % kickback for promoting something with an almost uncapped income potential.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

It's a loophole. And if we were doctors and I offered you the opportunity to sell my drug for a 20 % kickback, that's called capping and that's illegal. It's a federal crime. You go to prison if you get caught and prosecuted, which is probably doubtful. But, ⁓ for industry, the corporations and the oncologists, there's a loophole that allows them to do that. I mean, it's just crazy. The other specialties do it too. I believe urologists.

 

who are giving Lupron shots can make a couple thousand dollars in 30 seconds when they give the patient that shot. Cause it's a, you know, it's a $12,000 shot or something.

 

Christian Elliot

So what would you say to a person who's diagnosed with cancer and they're being suggested to do some of these chemists? What's the question? I know what I might say, but what would you suggest somebody say to their doctor to unearth a possible conflict of interest or ⁓ have a discerning mind about what their options are?

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Okay. So the first thing is there's no emergency. You need to sit down and research and you need to get second, third and fourth opinions. And I think turning to the functional doctors or the osteopaths or even the nutritionists and researching everything you can find online about your disease. Now the, the, one thing that the traditional doctors can usually do is make a diagnosis. So that you've got a

 

You got something to search for and something to look at. So, you know, you, you have to do your own research. And if you have a sophisticated healthcare provider who is concerned about you and it loves you, ⁓ you elicit their help and, you know, make yourself a team of people who care about you and are trying to figure out what the heck to do. So there are many paths to take with, ⁓

 

alternative healthcare, there are ripoffs out there, but there are many, many, diseases that basically have been solved. Uh, but it's not part of the mainstream because they, there's no patent medication that is involved with the cure. So, um, I, I'm sure you're a resource, uh, Christian to find people who can help. And there's there, there are, there are oncology clinics,

 

that focus on getting you as healthy as possible, making sure you don't have toxic metal levels, making sure you're, you know, even something like your wifi and your EMF exposure can hurt your immunity. So there are a lot of these subjects that you need to learn about. And my, sub stack is a good place to start. You can look in the archives and I, I've been concerned about my personal health for six to eight months. And I started writing about,

 

all these, you know, these things that really help. know, magnesium and vitamin C are tremendous boons to health. And Pierre Cori, who I mentioned earlier, he went to the ICU and he gave intravenous magnesium, vitamin C and thiamine. And his mortality changed from 86 % to

 

single digits or double digits, know, low double digits. So, um, and of course he was run out of his job for doing his, doing the right thing by his patients. And now he's working as a, uh, natural doctor and giving advice primarily, I think to COVID patients. And you can look him up, you can put him in the, in the links. I've got some other ones that, um, that I refer to with their links to their online presence. So you can, you can talk to these people.

 

in the virtual and get some ideas. And it's not that expensive, a few hundred dollars.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, welcome to the home team, Pierre. good to have you. The more great minds we get going after healing rather than treatment, it's so fantastic. okay. ⁓ Tell us a little bit about medical devices. there's the abdominal meshes or stints or bypass C-sections, there's so many different things I'd love you just take a quick sentence or two about, but medical devices in particular as a broad heading.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, the medical device industry is pharma's little brother and they essentially pull the same tricks and there's even less oversight and scrutiny on medical devices than the pharmaceutical drugs because the rules for approval are easier to accomplish. And one of the ways that you get through a medical device is you claim that it's substantially similar to a device

 

that was used before and they rubber stamp the approval and then you're off to the races selling whatever the heck it is. So, you know, these things include, as you mentioned, the stents, they include orthopedic devices and all this stuff is poorly regulated. You can't depend on the FDA or any of these other people to be in your corner and you're just going to have to do your research and hope you don't. You're not a problem ⁓ patient that has a big issue.

 

As far as stents go now, cardiology and cardiac surgery are a mess and the stance is a little device stents are a little devices that, um, are supposed to open. They're inserted through your artery and your groin up and threaded all the way into your heart and into the little heart arteries. And these things, when they're deployed or placed, they spring open.

 

And they smash the, the junk inside your coronary artery that's blocking it up against the wall. And then for a while they, ⁓ they improve the circulation. But the problem is that statistically they don't work and they're used there. You know, you can imagine the teams that are necessary to put these things in and the cardiologist doing all this stuff. And right now they're claiming that, ⁓

 

you know, it's a, emergency whenever you have chest pain to go to the hospital and get your stents placed. ⁓ and they've just scared the hell out of everybody. ⁓ but what they're primarily doing, 95 % of the stents are placed in the absence of acute symptoms. In other words, there's no horrible increase in chest pain or no, ⁓ no heart attack happening. And in these cases, we have good data that

 

prove that they don't help the death rate, which is the only thing you care about. ⁓ the only, the only case where they supposedly help and then supposedly have been proven to help is when you're having this terrific kind of heart attack called an ST elevation MI myocardial infarction that has EKG changes that are so obvious that even people who don't know anything about it would

 

would see a change on the EKG when they're having tremendous chest pain and you know, they go in the emergency room as a, but instead stents are frequently placed for people who have chronic, slight or moderate blockages of their coronary arteries where they do no good in the long run. There's now coronary artery bypass is the

 

surgery that the cardiac surgeons do, which is a kind of a plumbing job around the blockages. And these things, they work in one very narrow instance and they're being used promiscuously for any kind of blockage, sometimes even in the absence of any significant symptoms. So where they work is when one little artery is blocked.

 

right? A certain little artery, which from which spring to other arteries, right? It's called the, ⁓ left main artery. When that one's blocked or partially blocked, the studies have shown some benefit, but listen to what the benefit is at five years after surgery, there's a 20 % better improvement in, in death. So that's, that's basically almost unmeasurable in my opinion.

 

five years later, you have a 20 % better, it goes from your chance of dying decrease from, you know, 50 % to 30 % or something like that. So that's, that's the only benefit of the coronary artery bypass grafting. And the only benefit of stenting is in the midst of this very few, maybe even 1 % of the cardiac cases coming to the emergency room with crushing chest pain.

 

and ST elevation on their electrocardiogram. So, but it's done on everybody. And the guys that are operating on these patients, ⁓ they'll do these multiple, you know, multiple jobs, ⁓ know, plumbing jobs and charge for it all, spend hours and hours in surgery. And it, doesn't work unless they have blockage of the left main coronary artery. doesn't help the statistical survival. So.

 

So the whole thing is just a, it's a, it's a nightmare of frauds and ⁓ sad ⁓ wasted money and, you know, surgeries that are unnecessary and enormously expensive stents. The stents are not as dangerous, but you know, to go through a procedure like that and with all the drama and all the, ⁓ you know, essentially lies associated with it. I mean, it's just,

 

Christian Elliot

Not

 

to mention the emotional upheaval and trauma of surgery itself and recovery windows. And that's just it's like it's not factored in. And in my experience talking to people about that, is that fair? Yeah.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

The fatality rate for these coronary artery bypass surgeries varies from a couple percent to higher depending on the center. So you've got that percentage to look at also.

 

Christian Elliot

Two out of a hundred.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, two out of a hundred is high. It's much higher than a cosmetic surgery, which is, uh, you know, two out of 10,000 or less in theory.

 

Christian Elliot

Okay. do you have, I heard you mentioned abdominal mesh is on another podcast. Tell us about that as a device or intervention.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Yeah, the one that's ⁓ the one that's received all the publicity was called Essure ESSURE. And I believe that one is a perineal mesh that is ⁓ used to ⁓ tighten women's pelvic floor and keep them from peeing themselves and so on. And so they use this, you know, these products were poorly studied, approved prematurely.

 

And there were dozens of them and they started to get ⁓ bad publicity and then they made a movie about it. And after that, their market dried up and they're, you know, I'm not even sure they're being used, but they were having problems and stuff extruded through the vagina. had, you know, they're a whole series of, they, could feel them during intercourse and, ⁓ my God, it was just, it was just crazy. I don't doubt that there were.

 

reactions to the mesh itself too. I don't know what it was made of, but if it was made of metals, ⁓ I'm sure that there were reactions to that.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, a lot of people are metal sensitive and don't know it. And I don't even know they screen for that. But yeah, do you know anything about UTIs or inner uterine devices and have you? you sorry? I you do. Yes.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, I U D's are, they're the safest birth control device. ⁓ but the, the ones that are commonly used are a big pharma concoction with hormone delivery from the device, right? The copper seven was very successful. Now the, some of the women have increased bleeding during their menstrual periods or cramping or something like that, but they worked very well and they,

 

did not contain a medication that was going to damage you. But the new ones, even the supposedly very low dose new ones, I'm trying to remember the name, but these things, they're convenient, but in the long run, the artificial hormones are damaging. Now they can't use bioidentical hormones because it's not strong enough. So they used a

 

They use a form of estrogen that is ⁓ much stronger and that's released slowly through the ⁓ IUD. Now they claim, they always claim that everything's got to be changed, right? Like the drugs are outdated. Well, drugs hardly outdated at all. You could probably use them decades later and there wouldn't be any problem. And there are studies on that. And maybe what I said was an exaggeration there, but

 

it's there. There's certainly very conservatively dated and it seems to be an effort to sell more drugs. But these IUDs are supposed to be changed at intervals. Now there may be a good rationalization for that, but it's, it's hard for me to believe that there was anything reasonable about it because, and the ones with that put the hormone out of the IUD, of course, after three years or five years, they don't do that anymore. So

 

They claim it needs to be changed at that point, but it's my guess, right? That just leaving those things in is the safest way to go because then you're not exposed to that hormone, which can give you breast cancer or other problems. And then you still have an IUD in place because you still want the contraception protection. So, so I think IUD is the copper seven now.

 

They jacked up the price in this thing. It's thousands of dollars. It's a very old device. There's no longer a patent on it, but somehow they, they, you know, company patented it and in the United States, you know, of course your insurance probably is going to pay if you have insurance, but, um, there are people who go to Mexico and for a couple hundred dollars, they get an IUD inserted down there. It needs a little bit of sizing. So, um, you know, there's some expertise involved.

 

but a lot of good medical care is done in Mexico is, and they just don't have the, the big pharma conflicts of interest or the device conflicts of interest and the pressures by the medical industry that we have here. 40 % of the drugs in the world are used in the United States. So are the, the not, not 40 % of the drugs, but 40 % of the 42 % of the payments for drugs are us based.

 

And we're only 5 % of the world's population, 4.5%.

 

Christian Elliot

Right. give us a couple of stats on the health outcomes of the US population just for reference for that spending.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, we spend twice per person what the other top 10 or top 20 developed countries spend. ⁓ And for this, we get a result that is far worse than the top 20. at the bottom of that group. And this is in terms of our age at death and infant mortality.

 

and a lot of other measures we're doing very poorly. And so all the extra medical quote, medical care unquote, ⁓ it actually has an increased fatality and death rate and problem rate that's imposed upon us.

 

Christian Elliot

Can you think of anything that is more wasteful than the amount of spending we do on conventional medicine in this country?

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, that's kind of rhetorical. You know, I know about. I know about that. ⁓ There there are problems with other industries. For example, the telecom industry is is thought by some people to be more powerful than pharma, right? And they are imposing ⁓ kind of a smog of electric currents and all kinds of other stuff that have pretty well documented health problems.

 

Christian Elliot

Right?

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

on the entire population. There are worries about the 5G rollout, but I think that, ⁓ and you can mitigate a lot of this stuff yourself if you become knowledgeable about it. We don't really need, the problem is mainly the unwired systems, right? And wired, all this stuff's more or less harmless. We can ethernet wire our computers in our houses. We can ethernet wire even our telephones in our houses, and we won't be exposed to all this stuff.

 

that industry is supposedly more powerful than pharma, but taken as a whole, the medical industry is certainly the most powerful. It's the, the gross revenues are 4 trillion for the medical industry out of the, whatever the 22 trillion or 23 trillion of us gross domestic product. So it's 20 % of the gross domestic product. And half of it's clearly wasted. There are academic articles about

 

you know, all the things that we do that don't work, ⁓ necessary and, or even, know, and I would contend that a lot of it's tremendously harmful.

 

Christian Elliot

or aren't necessary.

 

Yeah. Okay. Well, speaking of some other examples, so screening tests like mammograms, colonoscopy, screening for prostate cancer. Tell us a little bit about that because there's another option or avenue of waste and unnecessary emotional stress that goes with it.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

So many of these screening tests are not accepted in other countries. ⁓ For example, ⁓ colonoscopy. Now we've got these gastroenterologists trying to make bank on this, their procedure, just, you know, it's their cardiac cath, right? ⁓ Or their laparotomy, if they're a general surgeon. ⁓ So they stick a tube.

 

back up your backside and they have established themselves a system where they are supposed to do this every two to four years on everybody in the country over a certain age. And I mean, I lost track of what they're trying to do. I can't even quote exactly what their criteria are. But when you look at this thing closely and you know, their their their thing is not accepted in other countries. know, they other countries, most other first world countries,

 

do colonoscopy in response to symptoms. If you have blood coming out of your backside, you have abdominal cramping, have, you know, you're throwing up or whatever it is that there are GI symptoms. then an indication, there's an indication for scoping, but we do it as a screening procedure. ⁓ and if you look at the numbers, ⁓ the, it's a very improbable thing because there is a risk to the procedure. can,

 

puncture the gut or you can, you know, people get sick and occasionally die from that. ⁓ you know, generally they can be operatively repaired or they can let the patient sit around for a week without any food and they, ⁓ they recover. But one out of 10 of those dies. ⁓ so the risks of that thing do not match the rewards at all. The rewards, you know, you occasionally find something.

 

that makes a difference in a person's lifespan, but the risks are higher. And I went over that in Butchered by Healthcare. There are the smartest people in the room. There's this guy at Stanford named Io Nides, I always butcher his name, but he says almost without qualification that screening tests are useless. And

 

Christian Elliot

John Ioannidis, he's one of the most respected epidemiologists in the world, medical minds, just for context.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

And you know what the trend has been in many of these and even blood pressure, we screen them by doing the blood pressure. The criteria for treated treatment has been cranked down so tight that somebody with a blood pressure of 130 is sometimes considered for blood pressure treatment and toxic medications. ⁓ So just like the gastroenterologist doing their screening tests and everybody, every

 

three to four years or whatever it is, ⁓ just like the blood pressure people, the urologists have a test called a PSA. Now their big procedure is a ⁓ surgery called a radical prostatectomy where they theoretically take out a prostate that has been infested with prostate cancer. Well, it's a little bit of a complicated story, ⁓ but the bottom line

 

is that men have prostate cancer at 70, 70 % of us have prostate cancer. And it panics anyone to think about this, but most people die with prostate cancer and not of prostate cancer. In other words, only 2 % of men die from prostate cancer, which is a small number compared to the number that have it. So doing a radical prostatectomy,

 

⁓ causes like in a third to half of them you're incontinent and impotent the rest of your life. So that's not worth it if you can get around that. Now ⁓ so they have this screening test ⁓ called a PSA, cross-state specific antigen, which is a blood test. And in theory you think, well I might as well get as much information as I can. I should get a PSA to see if I need to, you know, go down this ⁓

 

thing about the ⁓ urologist checking me out. But what it does is it spawns this incredible medical service industry. And in fact, ⁓ there's a lot of industrial sources that support the PSA testing, which ⁓ leads to radical prostatectomies and biopsies. then it even leads to penile implants for impotence. I mean, it's that crazy.

 

There's one of the oddball supporters of the PSA slash prostate chemistry industry is the male diaper industry because they, they support the, the screening that's done. other words, they donate, they advertise in these venues. And I think if you're, you don't want to find out about the male diaper industry, if you, if you don't, ⁓ because they're, you know,

 

the people that get this procedure are peeing themselves the rest of their lives frequently. So, so it's just, it's just crazy. And it all, everything, all these things were built on seemingly reasonable assumptions. You want to discover colon cancer early. You you want to treat blood pressure if it has an effect on mortality, but in each case, the industry and the doctors involved

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

crank down the indications for their procedures and their drugs and everything else to the point where it's being delivered to this vast swath of Americans, you know, and they, everything has a problem. Your rule of thumb should be never take a drug unless there's a damn good reason and never, never get a surgery unless there's a darn good reason. So, so both of those things have a lot of problems.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah. Okay. Well, two more topics I want you to mention. Obviously you guys can tell by now there's so much more depth here and we're just scratching the surface. So definitely check out his book, but ⁓ rant for me for a few minutes about what you've been learning about the dental industry. Okay.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

So I knew nothing about Dennis when I wrote Butcher. this is I, you know, in the last two months, I looked at Dennis and I read four books and a lot of articles and I wrote four different posts. And I think if you want to put some links at the bottom, put my dental posts because it'll stun everybody. And so I mean, I'm almost inarticulate about this because it's so crazy.

 

Christian Elliot

Okay.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Uh, dentists are a lot doing awful lot of things wrong. They don't do everything wrong, but it's almost everything. And so you probably know about fluoride toothpaste and fluoridated water. Well, this has been supported by the American dental association since probably 1950 or even before that. And the science is completely mature. Now fluoride is a neurotoxin.

 

It makes our babies stupid. The studies include urinary analysis of the women with more or less fluoride in their urine. And the ones with more fluoride have a half standard deviation, stupider kids than the other ones. you can look at, ⁓ there, you know, I've got websites that you can check out. think what is the fluoride action network? Fluoride? I think it's the fluoride action network.

 

for more references about that. But if you're using toothpaste with fluoride in it like Crest, you'd better switch to Toms because Toms, for example, is one of the ones that doesn't have artificial sweeteners. It's got a non-nutrient, nutritive ⁓ sweetener made from a tree in it ⁓ called, anyway, it doesn't come to mind, but that's probably good for your teeth and good for your mouth.

 

And I'm certainly not an investor in that. I was for a while, I was using baking soda because I didn't even trust them. But the fluoride is definitely a problem. You don't want to expose yourself to it. And it interacts with other toxic chemicals in your body and creates diseases. that's part one, right, of the dentist. Part two is mercury amalgams.

 

an amalgam is a silver filling or a black filling and you can get a mirror and see if you have any in your mouth. I went to my dentist a couple of months ago and I said, how many of those things do I have? And he, he got his little tool and click through and he says, well, there's 17, but everything looks great. And I realized I had a, was loading my body with mercury and ⁓ there's a book written by Gammel G A A L.

 

named the garbage collector. And his practice has been focused, he's Australian, I think, on removing mercury fillings called mercury amalgams from people's mouths, among other dental appliances. And he calls it taking the garbage out. And his book is The Garbage Collector. And I recommend that heavily because it's the most truthful book about dentistry I've ever heard. Now he's retired.

 

Maybe he published it after he was retired. Otherwise he'd be lynched. But, ⁓ but mercury is a tremendous problem. It's, it's, it's the, it's, it's a more toxic metal than lead and it's been used. This is a pre civil war technology that has been used for well over a hundred years that they're still promoting. ⁓ and it's primarily, you know, the white fillings are composites or ceramic and those things are

 

pretty non-toxic. and that's what you should be using, but it's technically difficult for dentists to do them. The mercury is easy. There's cheap and they can put them in the mouths, especially of these people with some sort of welfare insurance like Medicaid. And that's what they do. Sometimes they're capping the little kid's teeth with silver caps that have mercury underneath them. ⁓ even in their juvenile teeth, even in their baby teeth.

 

And so it's just, it's a very sick scene with that mercury. And, ⁓ so the other, the other amazing story is root canals. Now I've been told that root canals no longer contain mercury, but the theory behind root canals is that they drill out this dead tooth, right? Or infected tooth rendering it dead and they fill it with

 

And then they clean it out with this stuff, including all kinds of toxic chemicals. mean, he used formaldehyde and all this stuff. It's like two inches from your brain, right? And the stuff migrates through the teeth. Teeth have little tubules. There's three miles of tubules in every tooth that go from the inside of the tooth, the pulp and so on to the outside where the mouth is. And

 

anything inside the tooth gets into the mouth right away. And that means it gets into the body and the rest of the body, including the brain. So they, they put formaldehyde and I, I don't even remember all the other chemicals they use to clean it out. And then they, they have been sticking mercury in there. And I found references to mercury use, in United States websites, right. By these guys. But, my source from Australia claimed that

 

they weren't using mercury anymore in the root canal. So they fill this thing and it becomes a foreign body and it's a infection source that can seed heart blockages. It seeds, ⁓ you know, heart valves. goes to other places in the body. So any general surgeon knows what a foreign body is and why they've got a, and biological foreign bodies, they have to be removed from the

 

from the body. If you have a piece of wood in your hand, somebody's got to get that out of there because if it doesn't, it's going to pass out. And sometimes the infection goes to the rest of the body. Well, doing these root canals is just a disaster and they've got to be, they've got to be removed. If you want a good, want good health. I gamble this dentist who wrote the book, he spent his whole career removing appliances, mercury,

 

Bridges, all kinds of things. And he saw metal reactions and these, ⁓ a lot of people who are very sick with various kinds of cancer and particularly multiple sclerosis or MS, it all completely went away. Now, of course, teeth are not the only source of human disease, but they're a huge source of human disease. ⁓ you know, when you buy a horse, they always used to look at the mouth. Well,

 

If you want to find out somebody's health, you want to include the teeth in your analysis. That's very important. And if you have dental problems, if you've got gum disease, you're risking that same bacteria getting into the, ⁓ any deposits you have inside your coronary arteries. And this has been carefully documented. Coronary artery disease seems to be infectious and it seems to be infectious from oral sources. And they seem to be these.

 

⁓ spirit key and other bacteria that are present, the exact same species that are present in the mouth and especially in dental appliances, you know? So, so anyway, I'm getting my 17 amalgams out very soon.

 

Christian Elliot

for you. Yeah, when my wife had hers out before we had kids, had the dentist we found, where a full body hazmat suit and had vacuums all over the room, sucking the vapor out of the room that it's it's that toxic and we're like, Yeah, we should put it in the mouth. That's a great idea. And so we've done it for to your point since the Civil War, because it's easy.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

most reactive metal imaginable ⁓ placed in the most reactive place in the body. I mean, it's just, crazy. And we're allowing these cretins to continue this practice. is still a hundred million mercury amalgams placed every year in the United States and dentists can lose their license in some places. If they speak up against practices like this, or even offer to remove

 

dental appliances to improve disease. It's considered heresy because it's a works against their financial interests.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah. So what you guys are probably picking up on by now is there is a lot of money and nefarious things that go on in the medical dental world that isn't necessarily looking out for you. They just need a pretense for which to do whatever they do. And we have suffered the health outcomes of an industry that was somewhere lost its soul and isn't looking out for us anymore and has become all about the money. the one that to me rises to the top currently right now that is doing the same thing

 

is the gender surgeries or they call them the transition surgeries. And so for you being a cosmetic surgeon, I would love to get your perspective on that industry or what you learn or your perspective on those types of procedures. So tell us more.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, I interviewed one of my friends who got into this and is a very, ⁓ he's, might do a double digit percentage of the West coast. ⁓

 

breast removals, right? And for, for women, ⁓ you know, who are quote transitioning to become men. And so I interviewed him straight. So you, you, you guys, if you're interested, look for man, g u B a T in the, ⁓ archives in my archives, you go to Robert Yoho dot sub stack.com. I'll look for the archives on the right heading, and then you can look for him.

 

It was about a year ago, but ⁓ he's just perfectly matter of fact about it. He doesn't seem to think there's any ⁓ problem. ⁓ But I reviewed, think it was Katherine Eben's book about the transgender phenomenon. And she's a journalist who wrote about it. And these people have a 40 % or 50 % attempted suicide rate. It's they're very unhealthy emotionally.

 

And they don't improve after they start getting all this ⁓ medical quote care. And the first step along that way is they get, they get kind of hypnotized by some YouTube personality with purple hair who becomes a role model. And they go in and find a breast binder to squish their little breasts that are developing. These are kids, they're teenagers, ⁓ against their body. And sometimes this

 

permanently damages the breast tissue makes them say, and then after that, ⁓ and they, they typically are offered a testosterone prescription in a male dose and a, ⁓ a hormone blocker called Lupron, which shuts off their ovaries. And there, there are side effects to these things that include, ⁓ infertility and

 

they get permanent changes in their facial structures and they, you know, they get their hairline recedes from the testosterone and they, ⁓ you know, the ones that, ⁓

 

go on about it. ⁓ They can get these surgeries to slice their breasts off, which result in a horizontal scar that never looks natural. Often the nipple is ⁓ not innervated anymore. They can't feel their nipple. And then finally, a lot of them get ⁓ some sort of crazy reconstruction of their genital area, which you can read my posts about it and which Catherine Eben describes. I'm trying to remember the name of her book.

 

But if you search for Amazon, Catherine, E-B-A-N, ⁓ you can read her book, which ⁓ it's just a stunning indictment of the whole thing. these, we're attacking our adolescents now. If someone is an adult and they are crazy enough to go along with this whole thing, ⁓ you know, maybe it's reasonable and they contract with the surgeon to

 

cut their breasts off or whatever they're going to do. mean, the surgeries to reconstruct a penis are complex and some, sometimes the whole area will die and they're left with nothing but shiny, shiny scar tissue down there instead of whatever they had before. ⁓ you know, they try to put your urine tube or your, your wreath, your, through the reconstructed penis. And this, you know, of course it can get infected and be a disaster, but,

 

I mean, it's just, it's appears the whole thing appears to be a psychological operation that's imposed on us from outside because the group of people who are involved are not wealthy enough to create any sort of a hullabaloo or any kind of a publicity for their cause. ⁓ They seem to be funded by some globalist billionaires and it seems to be another ⁓ method that these ⁓

 

crazy globalists are trying to use to bring down our, us, bring us down psychologically. And it's it, no one is neutral about this. Everyone has a strongly held opinion and it's one more thing to argue about.

 

Christian Elliot

Right. Yeah, well, that's it's a topic we'll get into on the next episode, we're going to talk some of the why like how in the world did we get here? And what's really going on? Who's pulling what strings and so stay tuned for the next episode where we talk about that. But Robert, I don't know if you appreciate how much of a unicorn you are in the medical world and your your willingness to just change your mind and to research and call things as you see them and do it bravely. So I guess thank you for that for one. And

 

I guess to wrap up, I'd love to just get your perspective or to you just reminisce and tell me a bit. So if you were to go back to the moment of your first impulse to become a doctor and you knowing what you know now, would you still choose that profession? If not, what would you do instead? Or how would you navigate it differently?

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, you know, my, my kids, identify with us very strongly, but we made it clear to them that they should not go into medicine and none of them, none of them, ⁓ elected to not take our advice. So, ⁓ no, I would never do medicine again. It, in retrospect, I was participating in a, in a crazy thing. My, my, ⁓ my adult,

 

medical practice was cosmetic surgery. And I suppose there's some rationale for all that. These women who get these breast implants become powerful in their own worlds. So I guess it's a reasonable thing. The liposuction seemed to help their shape. The facelifts made the older ones feel better. And I started doing hormone therapy with these women and felt like it felt that it was very useful. Another area that

 

makes no money for big pharma because the hormones are, ⁓ they're bio identical, so they can't be patented. ⁓ but, ⁓ if I had to do over again, I would study what I'm studying now, which is functional medicine and the use of the immune system to treat or combat all kinds of problems. In other words, to improve your diet and your exercise and your

 

⁓ you know, now we're, we're left with supplements because many of the fertilizers ⁓ lack certain ingredients that, ⁓ that were present in our soils before. So we were stuck with supplements. so that's what I'm studying now and I'm not going to practice, but, it's fascinating how much is known about cancer treatment. A lot of other things from sometimes

 

treatments that are, you know, very, very old, sometimes thousands of years, thousands of years old. Uh, and these things are now being subjected to some sort of trials, sometimes, uh, placebo controlled double blind trials and they, they work and they, they don't have, uh, a two year improved survival rate at best. They, some of them have an 80 % cure rate. So

 

So there are many things that are good about medicine and there are dentists who are taking out the trash, which is very, very good. So doing that ⁓ is, ⁓ I'm sure is very satisfying if you have the taste to be an outcast among your colleagues.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, you don't mind being the black sheep of your profession. You can help a lot of people. So, okay, last question for you. So in retrospect, how has all that you've learned and researched and written about regarding conventional thinking, how has that just changed or simplified the way you approach your own health now?

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Well, this is a big reveal. I was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease about five weeks ago and it's mild. It's almost a cosmetic issue right now, but these things progress. so my research prior to that, I'd been very interested in these holistic health solutions. And when I focused on Parkinson's disease, I learned that it was

 

in a group of diseases which are probably caused by the same thing. These include Alzheimer's, autism, and ALS, amylo, is a complicated word for that, but it's Lou Gehrig's disease. And so these things are all toxic exposures. And we have a lot of evidence that removing ⁓ metal exposures, chronic metal exposures,

 

like aluminum and mercury can many in many cases cure or remediate these these diseases and we have people who are treat successfully treating autism by improving diets and removing all kinds of toxic exposures. We've got these ⁓ very respected functional doctors so I'm studying their work and ⁓ I'm trying to pull some of these tricks on myself including

 

getting rid of the electrical exposures, which is called EMF. And I've written about that in my, ⁓ sub stack and, ⁓ getting my mercury amalgams out, which I mean, that's got the most potential for immediately getting rid of my Parkinson's and aluminum has a, inexpensive method to, ⁓ get rid of your aluminum load. Now I'm getting tested for all these metals.

 

in the next two weeks and I'll have some results back and I can share with my listeners about that. aluminum, you can drink silica water, which is available as Fiji a court a day. And that would even a few months can change your symptomatology. And for Alzheimer's, it has profound effects relatively quickly.

 

for a lot of people to treat Alzheimer's and it certainly prevents Alzheimer's. for people who don't want to pay for Fiji water, can, there are formulas to make this stuff out of inexpensive chemicals. So, and you can read about that on some posts that are coming up and you'll have to, you'll have to subscribe to my a sub stack in order to get those because they haven't dropped yet. They haven't, they haven't come out yet. So that's my story.

 

Christian Elliot

right on.

 

Right? Well, I love it. Because what what I guess if I repeat back what I think I heard it was, I would take my health seriously, I would learn how to detoxify my body. I would stop putting insulting things into my body, and just let the immune system do what it knows how to do. Is that a reasonable summary?

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Yes. Junk food is a lot worse than you think. They're now putting titanium and candy bars and you know, all kinds of ideas for coloring. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

 

Christian Elliot

Right. Yeah. About 16,000 chemicals used in today's food and think about 1600 come from coal tar. ⁓

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Alzheimer's has escalated incredibly in just 30 years and it's almost precisely matched the ⁓ use of these vaccines ⁓ and which contain aluminum, mercury first and now aluminum ⁓ as an adjuvant, which is the thing that makes the ⁓ vaccine potent.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah. And they even have it in baking powder. You're like, what in the world does it need to be in that? You could find some that they advertise on the box. Aluminum free. And you would think we should know better. That and deodorant or antiperspirants more specifically are another source of aluminum. So you guys are exposed to that. Think about back and off of it. You don't need to have that. There's other ways to handle stinky armpits or make your food fake.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Baking baking soda, which, and you can make an, ⁓ an equivalent baking soda. There are online recipes. You don't have to use commercial baking soda, baking powder, baking powder. I misspoke. You don't have to use commercial baking powder to make foods rise.

 

Christian Elliot

Right. Right on. Robert, this has been a fire hose of a lot of really insightful windows into the medical system and into conventional thinking. And hopefully you guys have taken away a few personal notes or some skepticism and an ability to step back and try to find some better questions. So stay tuned for the next episode where we are going to go deeper into some of the topics and then expand it to more some philosophical things and what we can be doing about it. So.

 

Thank you, Robert, for spending the time with us today and we'll talk to you soon.

 

Dr. Robert Yoho

Thanks, Christian. Bye.