E17: Heather Gessling MD

Dissolving Medical Illusions: Vaccines, Healing, and Faith

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Christian Elliot

All right. Hello everyone. Welcome to today's episode. My guest today is Dr. Heather Gessling. She is a family medicine physician and in private practice. She's the former chief of staff of Moberly regional medical center where she worked for eight years.

 

She also served as the director of operations for the global COVID summit organization. She was previously the COO for the medical board of the wellness company. And she's currently the owner of a thriving primary care practice in two locations in Missouri. So I would, I would also say that Heather is probably one of the most genuine people that I have ever met. She is a grounded mother of three. She's a fearless warrior for truth and for the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

And now I've actually roped her into this process of helping me with the detox guide, which has been very refreshing for me to meet another doctor who is abundantly willing to help and is not afraid to question everything. So Heather, welcome. Thank you so much for joining me today.

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Thanks! I've been looking forward to this. Excited to do this.

 

Christian Elliot

Right on. Well, so based before I guess before we get into today's topic, just give us a little window into who Dr. Gessling is. What got you into becoming a doctor in the first place?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yeah, you know, this is the second time I've had to answer this question this week. had to answer it in my small group at church talking about passions growing up and are they different from your passions now? And what's interesting is I feel like I've been the same when I was five as I am now. Like I love the Lord and I loved, you know, the thought of being a doctor or love medicine. I was ⁓ playing when I was a little girl.

 

And I was ⁓ at my grandparents' house and my grandfather said, what are you doing, Heather? And I told him I was playing, you know, that I was a nurse and nothing against nurses. He just said, have you ever thought about maybe just going ahead and being a doctor? And I said, ⁓ okay, that's what I wanna do. And it never changed for the rest of my life. you know, basically on that path. And I feel like it's...

 

of my definite calling and love healing people. And I love bringing in the Lord in that aspect, praying for people, talking about their faith. It's my passion.

 

Christian Elliot

Fantastic. So where other little girls were playing house, you were playing doctor,

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

for sure. Yeah, I have pictures.

 

Christian Elliot

Very funny. Well, so rewind your story and kind of just tell us where you were professionally and kind of the security you felt or the headspace you were in before COVID started. And we'll go from there.

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yeah, that's a good question. So, you know, I was in a practice that was a very, very busy practice. I feel like I probably was one of the busiest physicians in this country. I was seeing, ⁓ I don't know, hundreds of patients a week. I was seeing about 40 a day sometimes, sometimes 50.

 

I'm so busy and I felt like was doing as good a job as I could. mean, there was just a shortage of primary care. I was doing my best to take care of a lot of patients. had needs and ⁓ and I was an employed physician. I was chief of staff. I was trying to do my best to help run the hospital, take care of patients. But I was in that insurance world and I was also

 

Fairly mainstream. I did question things. I questioned evidence-based medicine. I felt like the physician-patient relationship was important and being able to individualize patient care was important. And I wasn't a big fan of these protocols and guidelines that we were supposed to always incorporate. And the time I spent with my patients, I felt like it needed to be not influenced by outside.

 

organizations that were telling me what I was supposed to do. So I was a little bit of a rebel in that aspect, but I was also doing all the typical. was giving ⁓ every vaccine that was recommended. ⁓ when I started to question vaccines, that was a moment. That was a life-changing moment. It was a paradigm shift. I remember thinking, ⁓ well, if I dig deep,

 

and I realized that these things aren't safe, I won't be able to work here anymore. My whole life will change. I will have to figure out how to support my family and be a doctor and provide patient care, but it wouldn't be in this clinic, because I was actually the director for the Vaccines for Children program at my rural health clinic. And ⁓ everything about that rural health clinic was centered around

 

and giving vaccines and being ⁓ compliant with our accountable care organization. Anyway, so when COVID hit, of course, everything changed. So it was easy to see that we were being told lies, that there was an agenda. And I am so thankful because that changed everything for me.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, yeah. So you started seeing the va- you started questioning vaccines before COVID happened, is that right?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

I did. can't remember the, I feel like it was probably 2019. And I ⁓ remember questioning them whenever my youngest daughter was born in 2016. And I am, you know, I think back to that moment so many times when I was in the hospital with her and I was wondering if she really needed to have this injection on the first day of her life.

 

Unfortunately, I didn't say no. I just let a lot of things influence me. I regret that. And my children are, ⁓ they're fairly, I mean, I would say they're healthy. They're typical children, but my middle child has a ⁓ severe tree nut allergy with anaphylaxis a few times in her life. And my youngest daughter has so many food sensitivities and my son has...

 

history of asthma and food allergies and eczema, you know, all these things that I see now were most likely related to injection of poisons, toxins.

 

Christian Elliot

What a, so what was the first thing that had you go, wait a minute, maybe I should question this. Was there one particular moment where you can remember saying, hang on, or did it kind of just slowly seep into your consciousness and you can't really remember a moment?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

I remember the moment. I was in my bedroom. It was when we were on lockdown and I was seeing patients' telehealth and I was listening to the news and they were talking about. I had been learning about what was helping patients with COVID and how nutrients were so important. ⁓ Conditions that were affecting, that affected zinc, you know, that ⁓ can create sort of the zinc deficiency, conditions like diabetes and obesity.

 

⁓ learning those things, learning how vitamin D was playing a role. And then I found out about hydroxychloroquine and I learned the mechanism of that and how pulls in zinc. And so then I was like, ⁓ well then this connects. And I started understanding how hydroxychloroquine could help, especially early on with viral replication. And so at that point that I started seeing that they were attacking that medicine,

 

I remember walking into my bathroom and I thought, ⁓ this is it. We're in a war for truth and it was my job to protect my patients. And so I buckled down and I stopped listening to the lies and took care of my patients.

 

Christian Elliot

Okay, so tell us about your experience working in a hospital as that revelation is playing out, because you and I talked before about the track record you had helping people and what the hospital was wanting or expecting from you and there was a tension there. So tell us that story.

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yeah, so I remember since I was chief of staff, had a moment, I think it was the end of February, the very beginning of March, and I thought, ⁓ you know, we gotta kind of get prepared for this. And so I called a meeting on a Monday morning. I told administration we need to have a meeting and we met in the boardroom and that room was packed and it was, ⁓ everybody wanted to talk about it.

 

everybody wanted to figure out what do we need to do? And so I was sharing the information I had at the time and we didn't know much and everybody else didn't know much. And so I realized it was gonna be my responsibility. I just had to figure out how to take care of my patients. But the thing is, as the pandemic progressed,

 

And I realized how important nutrients were, nutraceuticals, and all the things that we were being told not to do, like getting outside and moving and eating. They weren't encouraging eating healthy. And I understood that that was super important. And early outpatient treatment, all of those things that I was realizing were going to be saving my patients. I was trying to talk about it with the other physicians in my hospital and my peers. Nobody wanted to hear it. They were just, they would just look at me. They would just like, they would just give me this blank stare.

 

And talking about what was working, was talking to trying to talk to the ER doctors and tell them to do, you know, that type of thing. And it wasn't that's not what they were being told from the top down. And so they really had no interest in hearing it. And so my I remember it was about a year and a little over a year in. It was April of twenty twenty one. And I realized with with my patients, which I had thousands in my panel.

 

and all of the ancillary providers that were under me, the nurse practitioners, the PAs, none of us had had anybody die. We had been successfully treating every single patient that came our way. And I told that to my CEO and he gave me a blank stare. He was like, oh, you know, when he realized my patients weren't going into the hospital, they weren't dying.

 

I think that it was like this pivotal moment where we weren't so, we were definitely not on the same page.

 

Christian Elliot

Well, you weren't bringing in the big bucks from the government for COVID that you could have been had the situation gone differently. Is that essentially what was the elephant in the room there?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Potentially.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, hard to say, but okay. Yeah, it's just, it's remarkable that you just went away from what the powers that be told you to do and it worked and it wasn't celebrated the way it could have been. So interesting. how then has COVID, well, how has COVID shaped the way you see your profession now because of the lack of celebration or the lack of what you would perceive to be the way you honor your Hippocratic oath. Somehow that wasn't celebrated the way we would want it to be. So what's changed about the way you've even seen the medical profession since then?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yeah, it's been a complete failure. I feel like they have absolutely let down patients and now patients no longer trust the profession. They're leaving it in droves. They don't want to do mainstream medicine. don't want to walk into a hospital. They don't want to do, you know, normal, even do normal screenings. They want to get all the pharmaceuticals. They don't trust any vaccines. They, they,

 

they wanna take control of their health, which is amazing. And I'm here for them to help them with that.

 

Christian Elliot

Yes, you are. Okay, so talk to me more about, guess, your ongoing, both of us have had, we've talked about this, our ongoing awakening. So what have been some of the biggest, I guess, red pills you've had to metabolize since COVID started in 2020?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

⁓ the fact that, a majority of my training was based on a foundation of not, not of healing, but a treatment and a lot of lies, a lot of research lies, a lot of bias, a lot of pharmaceutical company influences. And the fact that, ⁓ the, the way the pathway to health is very different.

 

than what I learned in medical school.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, I bet. So in what ways then has what you've experienced in the, guess we'll call it the great awakening of what the medical profession does and doesn't do well. How has that shaped how you practice medicine now?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

So I go much more deep and foundational. If they have issues with obesity, metabolic syndrome, nutritional deficiencies, we have to heal that. If pharmaceuticals affect so many different aspects of health that being able to get them off of those pharmaceuticals ⁓ quickly and safely

 

is so important and being able to have them understand that their health is actually ⁓ restoration of their health is an attainable thing. Whenever I talk to my patients about restoring their health, reversing disease, especially new patients, it's like they had no idea that that's actually possible, that that's a concept, that they could reverse their diabetes, that they could get off of blood pressure medicines and

 

⁓ and ⁓ reverse that disease process. That they'd be able to get off of, excuse me, cholesterol medicine, all of those things. I think it's a lifelong thing.

 

Christian Elliot

Wow, I bet you that is a significant paradigm shift. I imagine if I'm in the shoes of that patient and I've come in expecting you to just give me another pill or another particular thing I need to swallow to manage my health and you start presenting them with a paradigm of getting off of medications and healing, that's probably something that's just they've not expected and refreshing to hear. I imagine, has that kind of been their response?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yes, they're like, this is amazing. They're so happy. And you know, just the fact that they feel like that they have some control and that it is an attainable thing. gives them such hope. have such ⁓

 

Christian Elliot

They have agency again, right? They have the ability to nudge the outcome rather than just be a victim of whatever biological fatalism they've been told was how things were going to go.

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

⁓ exactly. But you know, another thing with that, that position that they're in where they feel like they're ⁓ stuck with being on these medications is a position of having faith in their physicians and in this system, almost like it's a religion, almost like they have submitted themselves to it.

 

and they are scared that something bad is gonna happen if they walk away from that necessarily, you know, where they, it's become their life. You know, oh, I just put on this new medicine or I had to have this doctor's appointment, that type of thing.

 

Christian Elliot

Interesting. just the mindset that you're in the middle of shifting, if I can feedback to you what I think I heard is you've had people coming in who have this reverence for medicine or for the doctor and it's a whole new category to entertain that this isn't actually healing you. This is just managing some of the symptoms you have and there's a different way to do this. And they have to in many ways metabolize that thought in real time with you.

 

to participate in their own healing. Is that essentially what you're saying?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yes, and in addition, this a common conversation that I have to have with patients when we're working through this process of ⁓ discontinuing medications, de-prescribing, is their fear. Their fear of what am going to tell my cardiologist? Or, you know, what are they going to think of me? Their fear of not complying with, and this is not all patients. So you're

 

Right, there's like these two types of patients that are, you know, have become so bought into this system, but they want a better way. And then they come to me and then there's those that don't want to have anything to do with this system anymore. But these patients that are bought into the system and we talk about deprescribing, they have to go through this process of realizing that they are in control of their own health and their own body. They get to make their own decisions. It's not determined by their specialist. Their specialist doesn't have control over

 

them deciding to take a pill, that's up to the patient. And so it's like they have lost, like you said, they regain their agency. They have lost that over the years of submitting to this system, of being able to say yes and no, they just comply.

 

Christian Elliot

I can imagine it's fun for people to realize, I mean, don't have to just be a robot and do what other people tell me to do. can actually, nobody's ever gonna know my health better than me. And for you to nudge them with the words to help them realize that I'm never gonna walk a mile in your shoes like that. So your intuition is welcome in the room and I wanna help you thrive and heal. And sometimes that means we don't medicate. so no wonder your practice is thriving.

 

Yeah. Cool. Okay. I want to shift gears with you for second. there's another fascinating part of your story is because of your background, you were recruited to be the COO of the medical team for a business called the wellness company, which just speaks to your reputation because there are a lot of high profile doctors that you were tasked to lead as part of that organization. So as I understand it, that experience in many ways kind of gave you a front row seat to seeing some of the damage done by these COVID injections and then the effort by different researchers to help figure out.

 

how to help people detox and heal from the carnage they have caused. So before we get into some of the details, kind of give me your 30,000 foot view, know, take the gloves off and just tell us what do you think that we as humanity have been living through, or I guess in some ways are still living through since 2020, what has come to light? And then we'll zoom in on what we believe to be the nature of these shots.

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yeah, so my 30,000 foot view, ⁓ which I think has become more and more understood by my peers, my fellow medical freedom fighters, those that I've worked closely with, ⁓ is that we're dealing with evil. And it's hard to just say that this is an unintentional ⁓

 

consequence that these deaths or these severe illnesses are just unintentional and it was really just ⁓ low, I don't know, preparation on the part of the government to foresee these things happening. And so it becomes more more evident that the government knew and that we were given poison and that

 

we rely to. So that's my 30,000 foot view, which is not the same as what everybody thinks. You know, some of them, some give a little bit more benefit of the doubt to our agencies or to the government. That's not my point of view.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, well, it's I guess I think what you're saying is it's it's been hard to believe them. And I found the same thing. The more you intellectually, honestly, as best you can look at what we've lived through to say this is just well-intentioned, but it's bad judgment and to believe the best about what's going on. That just doesn't hold anymore. The way you see the suppression of doctors not being able to speak, you see the way that the treatments that we knew would be helpful were not allowed in the room. And then the censorship and the the refusal to

 

remove a known damaging product from the market and the continual approval. At some point you have to entertain uncomfortable questions like what in the world is keeping this going on? And see, I'm right there with you that there's something evil about that. it brings up harder to swallow questions of how shall we then live and what else do I not know? And my gosh, if that's true, then I guess my behavior and my worldview are going to have to adapt to meet that. Is that basically more or less what you're saying?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Right. ⁓

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah. Okay. Cool. More specifically about the injections then. So what have you learned? I guess the high level of how they're impacting people. There's so many different adverse events being reported, but I want to get into some of the more of the mechanisms as far as we can tell. So you've been super gracious and patient with me helping me get my head around what seems to be some of the most agreed upon mechanisms of harm. But, ⁓ tell me what you think initially, what, what do you think is creating so many of these adverse reactions?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

inflammation from toxins in the injection and the potential pathologic proteins that are being continuously or at least produced for a long time in those that have taken the injections. We have two different components of what is going on. We don't have, I feel like, absolutely solid

 

consensus on what is in the injections. We also don't have solid consensus on what the injections do or design to do. But when you look at the conditions that are being created, clots, autoimmune disease, blockages of arteries causing heart attacks and stroke,

 

I think that it's evidence of an inflammatory process. And I think that everybody would agree on that. And I think if you can get to the basics of that, then you can get to the basics of how to heal and move forward from that.

 

Christian Elliot

Okay, so one of the what seems to be at least in the research I've been doing, one of the more agreed upon mechanisms of harmony's injections is the so called spike protein. So let me riff for a second about what I think I understand or what makes sense to me. And you can kind of give me a reality check on it. So as I understand it, the idea is there's a snippet of mRNA that kind of goes into the cell and in some way, the logic is it programs the cell to make a particular protein and a protein is

 

Okay. It's a, if you think of, use Legos as an analogy, like the individual Legos are the amino acids that are used to construct a protein. so that protein is then the one that we're referring to is a particular one they call spike protein. And sometimes those proteins miss fold or they don't get the construction crews not very good. sometimes there's like, they become amyloid or they become fibrous. the theory is that somehow the mRNA injection told the cells to continue to make this protein.

 

And what you're saying is it seems that there isn't a timeline horizon where the production has been stopped and it seems to be an ongoing process. So if I missed something there, tighten up my kind of my thinking or help me explain what I may have missed about mRNA and spike protein and ⁓ how it might be spreading through the body or impacting people's immune systems or that sort of thing.

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yeah, so that's pretty good. It's a pretty good summary. just to help everybody be clear about what we are pretty sure about. Yeah, so the mRNA ⁓ sequence is a sequence. Well, this is for the two mRNA vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna. ⁓ And then we have the different.

 

Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca that are adenovirus vectors that have DNA. But we'll just stick with the mRNA for now because the end result is similar for both of for all four of them or for both technologies. So the mRNA is encapsulated in this lipid nanoparticle and the lipid nanoparticle is designed, it's a lipid, ⁓ is designed to be able to

 

slip through all the different cells in your body, no matter what the type. We were told at the beginning, it's just gonna stay in the muscle. It's just gonna tell those cells around the injection site to program those cells to produce the spike protein. The mRNA sequence is the sequence to produce the spike protein, which the spike protein is composed of

 

two subunits, S1 and S2 with a furin cleavage and the spike protein we knew even before the vaccine was made is a very problematic protein. It's very pathologic and it creates inflammation. And it's hard to believe that everybody was so, ⁓ I don't know, brainwashed.

 

to think that they should take ⁓ an injection that's gonna create a pathologic protein. And maybe they thought this pathologic protein is very short-lived, it's no big deal. But the problem is that there are many mechanisms that we are aware of now that can contribute to long acting

 

formation of the spike protein, including, and the spike protein is being made by ourselves, and the difference between what the vaccine does and what an infection does is that when you get an infection, and I understand there's controversy about infection and viruses and all that, but whenever you get an infection,

 

Christian Elliot

Thanks.

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Your cells that are in the respiratory epithelium, the lung epithelium, the lung cells, those are the ones that are gonna produce and replicate, produce the spike protein and replicate the virus. The difference with that and the vaccine is that because of that lipid nanoparticle designed to go into all the different cells, it's gonna potentially go throughout your whole entire system.

 

Biodistribution studies from Japan show that it goes to bone marrow, ovaries, testes. We know that the technology for lipid nanoparticles is that it can also cross the blood brain barrier, which is very, very scary. And so because of that, it's not just your respiratory epithelium, it's not just the cells that are with the virus, it's all the different cells around your body. And the terrible part about that

 

is that those spike proteins are now gonna come out from inside the cell and be on the outside of the cell and be even sort of ⁓ presenting itself on the lining of your arteries, the epithelium, presenting themselves within your heart muscle, ⁓ all of these areas that are devastating for the... ⁓

 

for the body because it creates inflammation and can contribute to those things that we talked about earlier, such as clot formation. And so whenever the clot formation happens, as far as what I have learned, we know that those clots start with fibrin, sort of a fibrin foundation, which is what clots are typically formed with, which is fibrin.

 

there is this protein tail that we've seen, ⁓ which is a ⁓ very abnormal substance creating these clots, and they're not the typical fibrin clots. And what these tails or these protein tails are actually composed of, I think we need to get some consensus on, like an amyloid type protein.

 

created potentially from the spike protein sort of collecting and misfolding on itself ⁓ and being very, very hard to break down. And so one of the reasons why patients who have these clots that are associated with the vaccine are not really reacting to typical pharmaceuticals that can...

 

help stop clot formation and allow your body to break them down is because these are not the typical fibrin clots. Now what we know amazingly is that natokinase, which is a proteolytic enzyme, meaning it's an enzyme that is gonna break down protein, can not only break down fibrin, which we've known that for a long time,

 

which helps it be a natural blood thinner, but it can also help break down the spike protein itself, which if that's a component of these protein type clots is beneficial. And then we have studies from years ago that show it can break down amyloid as well. so patients that have been on typical pharmaceutical blood thinners for a long time with these clots are now showing benefit when they start taking.

 

natto kinase, is a nutraceutical. ⁓

 

Christian Elliot

Hang on. Well, I'm thank you for bringing that up because one of the things, as you know, I've been trying to get my head around is these clots. And so I want to see if I can speak a little layman here just to make sure where the audience can help picture what we're talking about. So if you're unfamiliar with this or you haven't seen it, there's these fibrous like vein shaped clots that are more, they're almost like calamari or they're boingy. They seem to have some elasticity. If you squish them, they'll rebound. Whereas a normal clots more like jelly. So if you had jelly on your counter,

 

it'll be hard to pick it up with your fingers. Well, these are more like you could tie it in a knot. And that is something that's new since COVID started. And if I think, I think if I'm hearing you correctly, what you're saying Heather is that there's debate on what's happening here, but there, one explanation is there's this massive runaway overgrowth ⁓ of these proteins being made and sometimes they're fold on themselves and they get sticky. And that's one explanation. And the other would be hydrogels.

 

before I get to hydrogels, is that essentially what you're talking about? Is that that type of process?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

That's what I would say is that the process is a pathologic process unlike anything we've seen in the past. It's not responding to typical treatments that we've done for clots in the past. The appearance of them is not like anything we've seen in the past. And I think that recognizing the actual composition or learning what is actually happening is important, but

 

It's not absolutely necessary for us to be able to help the situation and treat the patient or heal the patient.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, I guess to your point, once we've found or identify something that tends to dissolve the clot or whatever this amyloid structure is, that doesn't also damage the body, then we're onto something and maybe it's an ongoing thing as a preventative for if the body is continuing to make this and maybe there are other explanations for why they're forming, but that would be one prudent thing you'd say would be just an ongoing.

 

measure people could take in order to help their health if they did take the shot. Is that about right?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yeah, I agree. something that I was going to say earlier that I really didn't touch on is why is there, why is there this potential long acting production of Spike? And there are so many mechanisms to that.

 

What we know from earlier in 2022, I believe, is that there was evidence of integration of the RNA sequence that had been reverse transcribed into DNA, and they found it in liver cells, hepatocytes. And we know that reverse transcriptase exists in many different areas of the body, including your platelets. And so it can take that RNA sequence and take it backwards to the DNA.

 

And we know that the RNA that is in your body that is injected is not degradated the same as RNA from your own ⁓ body because of the fact that they have a synthetic pseudo-uridine nucleotide in that sequence. And so it's sticking around for a long time and doing its damage, wreaking its havoc.

 

Another thing that we have recently found out is the fact that there is evidence, ⁓ multiple labs across the country and I think across the world have now found evidence of DNA contamination in the vaccines. Well, how did that get there? Well, the production process that was the quickest and probably most economical

 

was using DNA plasmids to do quick and large scale production replication of the sequences that were used for the mRNA sequence. And what they did was ⁓ in trying to ⁓ produce the vials, they didn't really clean up the DNA plasmids. They tried to just chop them up.

 

and think that that was an ⁓ adequate process. And so these vials have now been tested and they have billions of copies, billions of pieces of the DNA from those DNA plasmids. And the problem with that is that it can then go replicate inside your like E. coli, your gut biome and potential spike replication indefinitely.

 

from these cells, from these E. coli cells that are now spike factories. And that is a big, big problem. And that's another way that spike protein production can be indefinite.

 

Christian Elliot

Right. And just the fact that that's come to light, that there are foreign DNA or plasmids or other things in these shots. And it's easy to prove, yet there's no effort to recall them. There's no ⁓ talk about how to treat this amongst the powers that be as another one of those head scratchers where it's hard to arrive at any other conclusion than this is an evil agenda that's being foisted on us. And so, yeah, thank you for for that explanation for.

 

brain is light, guess, clarify my thinking here. So what I think I understood or heard you say is, and I'm trying to figure out how I'd explain it would be that this sequence, whether it's the plasmid and the DNA that's in that, or the way the mRNA tends to write into our code, it's like the DNA is essentially the blueprint. And it's as if someone came in and etched a different part of the blueprint to tell the body to make something different. Is that essentially what you're saying is happening here? Or did I oversimplify?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

So it can happen through the DNA integration or it can happen through the long-standing mRNA sequence that's still sticking around.

 

Christian Elliot

Got it. Okay. So the other topic, guess, I want to go over some of the, guess, more highly controversial. There's some of the spike protein seems to be the thing that I guess any mainstream alternative, if you will, is the least debated or the most leaned upon as the explanation. But there's several other potentially controversial mechanisms of harm. And I'm sure you've seen some of the rather dystopian things in the patent record about self-assembling nanoparticle vaccines or cryptocurrency based on body activity data.

 

and graphene oxide being used in the vaccines. Even Pfizer admitted in their February, 2023 document dump that they were using graphene oxide in their trials. then, just this month, actually, there was a paper published that showed that there's a cancer drug now that can be delivered to a particular part of the body. How they pull that off. don't know, but they can use graphene oxide to carry a drug to a particular part of the body. And then they can use a cell phone to tell the medication to unlock from its package. And so those are just a few.

 

of the mad scientist type things that are available to be seen if you're willing to look for it. So given what we've talked about so far and what appears to be a clear coordinated attempt at genocide and that given the growing number of people who claim to have found other concerning ingredients in the shot, what's your take on the plausibility of things like hydrogels or heavy metals or graphene oxide or even parasites? And what's the plausibility of those being found? And am I just totally falling for

 

crazy conspiracy theories and being distracted or are there other potential concerns that we should be looking into?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yeah, so this is a good conversation because we want to know truth and we want to be able to treat patients. ⁓ And there is so much information out there and some physicians will say, that's kind of crazy talk talking about graphene oxide or the hydrogels. ⁓

 

If we can recognize that they have declared themselves, such as with the article that you read with the graphene oxide being able to be manipulated by a cell phone and being turned on and activating that medication, it shows us that these things that have been discussed are not crazy. And I think that it is important to always be ever diligent in doing

 

you know, the due diligence and process of trying to get to the bottom of what they're actually doing to us, even if we might not all agree, even if we might not all have a consensus on what is happening, we have to be able to say, well, what is the most common denominator? How do we move forward? How do we heal and how do we treat no matter what is happening? But I don't think it's crazy and I don't think it's a waste of time.

 

to be able to investigate those things.

 

Christian Elliot

Okay, good. Thank you for telling me I'm not crazy. And because that's, I guess I really want to cover all our bases and find out what really is this. And to me, the hydrogel is a fascinating one. If polyethylene glycol is a hydrogel or if it is something that could be harmful and we overlook it and all we focus on is a spike protein. Cause I've recently been studying so much of this exercise of trying to put this guide together has been trying to define terms. like we throw around so many words as if we all know what we're talking about. And sometimes we

 

run over words and hydrogel was one that was to me, I had to get my head around. I just thought of it as like a little, it's fat that surrounds it. the, whatever the package is, the payload can be delivered, but a hydrogel is actually, if you think like diapers, like the, something that absorbs a huge disproportionate amount of water for the size that it is. I've, I've seen my kids come out of the ocean with a diaper on and it's amazing how huge the diaper becomes, right? Or some way, I don't even know where they got them, but my kids have these little tiny balls. I think one of the neighbors gave it to them.

 

It's about the size of a BB and they put these, you know, maybe a quarter cup of them in a bowl and then poured water over them and they ballooned up to this huge thing that overflowed the bowl. And if that's what a hydro gel is and it's in these injections to think, to just dismiss that to me, that might even explain clots on some level that something could absorb that much liquid, maintain its integrity. If we overlook that or don't have a way to disrupt it.

 

that would be problematic. But I guess I take comfort in your perspective that it matters less maybe what they are in it. Do we have a mechanism by which to dissolve them? But I do hope people take up the challenge of continuing to research these hydrogels and these clots and figuring out how to prevent that. So do you know of anything in particular that might help people identify if that could be ⁓ something they're dealing with as a D-dimer test, the main way you might find that or what other things might indicate?

 

that you've got some of that clotting or swelling or something else going on like that.

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yeah, so the clotting, I do know that the D-dimer test is, excuse me.

 

The D-dimer test is a test that shows fibrin degradation products, which indicates that you have a clot and that your body is trying to break it down or that you are breaking it down, at least that there is likely presence. Now, it's not a specific test that shows that you have a clot for sure. If you have no D-dimer, it's pretty...

 

solid evidence that you don't have a clot, but if you do have elevated D-dimer, it's pretty decent evidence that you might. And so there is that, ⁓ but I'm on the hydrogel. Your description is good and I have recently been learning about hydrogels too and the concern.

 

of the effects of that in the body and how devastating that could be, especially to create sort of blockages, which then could create this accumulation of fibrin and then these proteins that can create these long clots. And so it is something that would be very, very bad for the body. And there's no, there's no tests that I know of that could evaluate.

 

Christian Elliot

Okay, well, at least we're on the scent of what may be a problem. We can continue to look for solutions as we go. So one other topic I wanted to cover with you is just the idea that there's some people out there who have not taken the shots, but they spend a lot of time around people who have. And there seems to be a real or at least plausible phenomenon of what people are calling vaccine shedding or something about the people who got it is impacting the people who didn't. And so

 

What you've even heard Peter McCullough talk about this, like he said, this is a genuinely real phenomenon and Pfizer even talked about they were looking for that in their trial. So talk about what you may know about the phenomenon of shedding and what would be wise for people who maybe who didn't take the shots to be considering ⁓ if they spend a lot of time around people, especially freshly inoculated people.

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yeah, I wish we knew more specifics about shedding. We know that there are effects of being around ⁓ the vaccinated as far as affecting menstrual cycles, even creating such significant inflammation that patients even develop myocarditis after having close exposure to a vaccinated person and other ⁓

 

effects that are similar to the vaccinated. So we don't know exactly what's happening. We think that there are exosomes that could be exhaled. We think that there is the ability for a spike to really come out of any body fluid, and that includes sweat, saliva, semen, really anything that the body is producing could be shedding spikes.

 

Also, there's an interesting theory. was talking to Dr. Ryan Cole two days, two or three days ago, and he was saying something that he thinks also could be happening is that ⁓ those that are experiencing effects on their menstrual cycle, we've known for a long time that pheromones affect menstrual cycles. And so somebody who's had the vaccine also could be exuding.

 

a pheromone signal type thing that could affect other females. ⁓ so whatever it is, we know that our effects of those that are unvaccinated from being around the vaccinated, and I think we need to learn more.

 

Christian Elliot

Got it. Well, thank you for the insights that you do have. what let's just put yourself in the shoes of like make try to make this personal. So if you've got somebody who has come to you and is exhibiting symptoms or thinks they may have an injury from one of these shots or their particular screenings that you do or what is your starting point? How do you help someone triage this and figure out what it is that that might be their path forward?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yes, basic blood work and I'll check in the market is CRP and sedimentation rate. I'll check autoimmune labs because I've seen development of all sorts of autoimmune conditions since the vaccine has come out things that I saw more rarely. Like I am seeing so much hyperthyroidism since ⁓

 

In patients that have had the vaccine, didn't, it was more of a rare thing. was mostly always hypothyroidism. And now I'm not even surprised when I find it on labs. I'm also seeing an extraordinary amount of B12 to 50 in patients that have had the vaccine. Their B12s are just tanked. And we know that the B12 levels are affected by

 

the intrinsic factor, which there can be an autoimmune process against the intrinsic factor. And so they're not absorbing B12. Man, that has been such a new phenomenon to find a low B12 in almost every single ⁓ vaccinated patient. And ⁓ basically just looking for inflammation, D-dimer, and sometimes cardiac enzymes. And if we can get to do some...

 

foundational work on healing and identifying nutritional deficiencies and identifying if there's inflammation and autoimmune diseases, then we can start making some progress. It has been very rare that I haven't had some success in patients. Now it doesn't happen, and it doesn't always happen completely where they feel completely back to normal.

 

I think that's going to take time and definitely not being insulted with further toxins. But I would say that in general, checking for those things as baselines has been pretty helpful.

 

Christian Elliot

Right on. OK, well, so I guess the the other puzzle I want to just challenge my thinking here little bit, because the more I've looked into this, the more I've studied trying to help people, it's almost like the simpler this has gotten. And I've weeded through a lot of I guess what I could kindly say are some unhelpful detox guides or ⁓ just unapproachable. They're just onerous and too many supplements and not enough specificity or they don't account for behavior change and the realities of

 

of really trying to work this out. And I keep getting redirected back to just doubling down on healing instead of treatment on opening the detox pathways, making sure the exits are open. You're pooping, you're peeing, you're sweating, you're breathing, you're elevating your heart rate. Focus on a good diet and good water and movement and smooth digestion, unplugging from fear and just adding a few key supplements or tinctures here or there. But am I crazy? Am I oversimplifying this too much or is this really just...

 

what we've needed to do all along and return to basics. What is your thought on the simplicity versus the nuance of investigation here?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

I think that that is ⁓ such an accurate way, an accurate approach to being able to help these patients. And it's been completely underestimated and maybe even ignored in the medical community as part of the treatment basis. And if we don't address those things, it's gonna be hard to make progress. And sometimes that's all that's necessary. I know that checking

 

The lab, one of these more significant conditions is important, but even those can be helped with all of those measures that you've mentioned.

 

Christian Elliot

Right on. Well, yeah, to me, so many of the things that I take the position because I'm a health coach, not a doctor. I have to think healing instead of treatment. And I think, well, if I can just get out of the body's way, give it what it needs to heal so often that I don't have to get as precise with it. I just have to unburden a very burdened body and and let the body know what it already do, what it already knows to do. So thank you for validating that I might be on the right track there. So. ⁓

 

I guess I'd love for you to put your, your doctor hat on and the empathetic person who sees the person in front of them. Cause what I love so much about you is you don't just see your patients as a lab test or a math equation. You see them as a person, you see the whole human in front of them or in front of you and you empathize with them or you, you think about life and that's part, part of why you've opened your practice and, and switched a little bit the way you do medicine. So I guess offer some encouragement or talk to the people who

 

are not used to having that. What would the whole human version of Dr. Gessling look like? What does somebody expect when they come and what would you encourage them to look for when they're looking for a doctor?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

I think that you need to have a doctor that is willing to go out of allopathic, typical mainstream medicine for sure, because it's had such devastating effects on health and it has not shown itself to be trustworthy. And then ⁓ being able to bring hope to patients and helping them not be so

 

fearful of all the unknown and all the new information that's coming out and to be able to have faith in ⁓ their ability to trust God and faith in their ability to help heal themselves. I'm listening to a book called Biology of Belief and although I don't agree with everything he has said, I think that it has such an important ⁓ effect on our health.

 

to be able, we can control our destiny so much with our attitudes and our thoughts and our eliminating our fears and being able to have positive outlook that there is hope for healing and it is possible and patients when they have that

 

Freedom to not think that all is lost is, I think, the biggest component for healing.

 

Christian Elliot

Right. Yeah, I love that because every time I've talked to you, you exude that hope and positivity and can do, we'll figure it out. it just I don't know how much doctors appreciate sometimes how people hang on their very word for life and death or in the power of your tongue. And you have the opportunity and you do you speak life and you speak hope. And it's just fun to be in your orbit and watch you encourage people and lift them up.

 

with your words, also your knowledge and your calm presence and level headed. Hey, let's that that might be. So let's investigate it and let's figure out what's here. And ⁓ I'm just thrilled to know you, to be able to introduce you to other people. can't wait to get this interview out and see who it helps. And ⁓ thank you so much for sharpening my thinking and letting me push you in return and iron sharpening iron. So any other final words of encouragement or things you want to say to people ⁓ as we wrap up here?

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Well, I would like to say that this time period we're in, this awakening, and by the way, thank you for all of those nice words. And I am so thrilled to be connected to you and working with you. And so glad to be able to talk to, you ⁓ your listeners about these important topics. But I would say that, you know, this time period that we're in with this awakening,

 

is what a time to be alive and what a time to be living and knowing the truth about so many things, how exciting that is. And to also be able to rely on the Lord for continuing in our walk as warriors for Him and being able to rely on Him to give us the insight into what is good or good for us and save.

 

and being able to reject those things that have been coming at us so strongly, peer pressure, you know, how 2021 played out where there was so much of a Psy-op to accept this poison and to be able to move forward and not ever let that happen again.

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, no, I am right there with you. It's been a heck of an awakening. There are so many things I thought I understood before COVID that have completely turned on their heads. like you, I now wake up eager and say, my gosh, what a time to be alive. The amount of things that are coming to light and to think that we have a mass awakening. Nobody was skeptical of vaccines. now it's like, you know what? Now I trust them. the traffic is one direction right now. The awakening is unstoppable. And the

 

the massive humanity that's finally saying, no, I'm done. I won't comply. And there is a better way. And as we, to your point, as we shake off the shackles of fear, as that no longer rules our behavior and we get your breath. And sometimes that takes a while because the stuff that's coming to light is uncomfortable. And it does force you to say, now what? ⁓ but there is hope. And to Heather's point, it's, it's not just found in, ⁓ what pill you take. It's, it's found in.

 

I'd say the power of God working through the hearts of people and the awakening that is possible as that happens. And as people realize and focus on what we have in common versus what divides us that there's such a path forward and it's fun to be on that journey with you. So thank you so much for joining us today, Heather. I really appreciate it.

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Thanks, Christian. It's been great.

 

Christian Elliot

Alright, that's a wrap big John.

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Yeah. ⁓

 

Christian Elliot

Yeah, thanks Heather. We got a good one. All right. I think well, that's the market side, but ⁓ Okay, well Yeah, we're good to go. So he'll just send me I gotta wait a while to get the recording from him but I'll get that uploading soon and ⁓ I'll talk to you in a little bit

 

Dr. Heather Gessling

Okay, sounds good. Talk to you later. Bye.

 

Christian Elliot

All right.